"After-birth Abortions"????

The authors are being sarcastic to make a point. They are trying to show their belief that abortion is wrong, the fetus is a person. They are trying to say many of the pro-choice arguments (ie, the fetus is not really a person yet) could just as easily be applied to a newborn.

Agree or disagree, that's everyone's choice, but these types of discussions/debates are necessary in society. They challenge us to continue learning and growing and always striving to be a better society.

It is so important not to shy away from topics like this just because the argument the other person appears to be making is opposed to the one you or I would make. Maybe they are right, maybe you are right, what matters is that you keep talking about it.

How can we ever grow as a society if we don't talk about the tough issues?

That sounds like a PhD dissertation lol. I'd love to read it, can you post or send me the link?

As to what we can do? Be the change you want to see in the world. Maybe that's simplistic, but shouldn't truth be simple?

Another extremist camp heard from. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's just more of the tactics used by radical pro-lifers.

What can YOU do? Don't have an abortion. Live by YOUR morals.
We can't legislate 'morality.' Nor should we.
I probably would never make that decision, but I will always support any woman's right to a safe, clean, legal abortion.

Seriously, I think if people spent more time worrying about themselves and their own families, life would be better.

Julie made some really good points!

I happen to be one very frustrated Catholic (with a priest who does not like Obama to begin with and is very upset with the current healthcare issue), and I really do see this issue from that perspective.

The Catholic Church teaches about Right to Life and the Consistent Ethic of Life. Obviously this would include the teaching that abortion is wrong. What so many fail to remember is that this also includes the teaching that all life, from womb to tomb, from conception to natural death, is sacred. This also must include children, the disabled, the elderly, the poor, the abused, the outcast, the lowest members of society.

I get so frustrated because too often I have to listen to homilies about how it's against Church teaching to vote for Obama because he supports abortion right. Oh, but it's not wrong to vote for the other candidate who might support the death penalty, increased military activity, ending social service programs that for some people is the only chance that they have of eating everyday and sleeping inside!

If we truly believe that all life is sacred, then we must actually treat all life as sacred. We cannot say that life is sacred until birth (anit-abortion) and then say, "Ok, you're hear. Now fend for yourself!"

All life is sacred. That doesn't make most of the current issues easy. That doesn't make this current healthcare issue (should insurance companies be required to pay for contraception and abortions) any easier. There are so many good arguments on both sides. But we, as a society, are never going to accomplish anything if we don't have the arguments.

Articles like this must be published because they make people think! You don't have to agree with the authors, but reading the article (and I do mean the entire article for those of you who thought these doctors were honestly saying that killing newborns should be legal) and having the conversation is so important in a civilized society.

I liked the answers you got already, but wanted to throw in what I'm doing. I'm currently pregnant-about 8 weeks-and bleeding. My doctors don't know why. May be common, may be the start of a miscarriage. Who knows? But, I've talked to my son about this. At 8 weeks, the tip of the nose is already visible and eyes are already forming. When I went for an ultrasound Tuesday, we could clearly see the head and heartbeat. The pic I have of my dd at approx. 10 weeks gestation shows little nubs for her fingers already. See, I'm using science and technology to teach my kids that it is not just a mass of cells. This is a baby already-a person already. If I miscarry, it will be sad, and we will mourn. We care about life. We celebrate life. And we don't celebrate death. That's why we are pro-life. We believe, and teach, and are vocal about our beliefs that all life is important. (I've seen others say this and someone always comes back with "Yeah, but I bet you're pro-death penalty. Clearly ALL life isn't important." or something similar. For the record, I'm anti-death penalty.)

This is in Europe. Not here in the United States.

To be honest - we've taken God out of school and God out of many things. We've allowed entitlement to take over instead of showing/teaching people how to better themselves...you know - Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime...yeah - we should apply that to many instances..

Other than that? vote. Call your elected officials (remember they ARE your employees!!) and TELL them what you expect. Don't sit in silence.

Pay careful attention to where our political candidates stand on social issues and vote accordingly.

Donate to pro-life charities that are on the front lines. They need as much financial support as possible these days to fight the legal battles. A few that come to mind are the Thomas More Society and Americans United for Life.

Most people don't realize that by being accepting of abortion, we're also going to become, as a society, more accepting of refusing cetain medical interventions to our elderly, more accepting of the marginalization of the disabled, etc. It won't just affect the unborn, it will come back to bite all of us at some point.

We are more and more disconnected from our own humanity - such ideas do not surprise me.

We homeschool and I'm always heartened by the homeschooling families in our circle. Are they perfect? No. But the vast majority of them are highly committed.

Strong families = strong nation.

Schools can never take the place of families.

JMO.

I just read it in the Natural News this morning. The thoughts of the extremely rich (like Bill Gates) and these crazy scientists just scare me.
I have always been pro-choice, it is not up to me to judge anyone. But I think that if abortions are going to be done that it should be illegal after the second or third month. I also pray that no woman has to ever be faced with needing to make this decision. (This is just my opinion).

http://www.naturalnews.com/035127_medical_ethics_newborn_...

I read the original article (your link is not working). It is interesting although certainly there are flaws in the author's ethical reasoning. The most cogent being that a fetus has an absolute dependence upon one person (she who owns the uterus), while a newborn does not impose that degree of need upon a single person, but upon society in general. Hence the needs of a fetus may (I believe do) come second to the needs/desires of single person (the woman who is already a person, not a potential person). But the needs of a single newborn can trump the 'needs' of society being that a single newborn's impact on society in general is minimal (will not result in death, debility, etc). Kind of like we can all have a right to free speech (example) but that does not require me personally to listen to any one person's exercise of that speech (does not confer a responsibility upon one particular individual).

What is refreshing is that the article presents a REASONED ETHICAL ARGUMENT. Something that most people do not seem to be able to formulate. We should not have laws based upon 'G-D said it is wrong' or 'I don't believe that'. Every person should actually have an logical ethical framework through which they see the world. This requires practice discussing and debating ethical issues. Which is the place for an ethics journal. A class in medical ethics is required for most (if not all) medical students and for many is their first experience with formal ethics. Teaching children that things are 'wrong' because G-D or a parent said so does our entire culture a huge disservice.

This was from Oxford, in Europe..

They are idiots to have even gone there. Of course this is completely ridiculous. They are just trying to be controversial.. do not get dragged into this.

They are being slammed for this by the way, I would not waste my time worrying about it..

Wow, sick and wrong. The only way to combat this kind of evil is one family at a time. We need to teach our children, so the next generation will not be completely morally bankrupt. Don't be afraid to stand up for truth and right, regardless of what others think or say. Even if it's "unpopular." I take solace in the fact that this article does NOT represent the majority opinion. I'll join with you in prayer that it does not become so! I'm going to delight in every baby I see today and appreciate their inherent value and right to life.

Thank you Julie B.
Some people talk to hear themselves talk.
Some people do what they can to help the people on this planet.
I know who I want to listen to.

I saw this as well. It was on facebook.
They are a group of radical ethics, jugding by their post.

I dont know anyone personally that would be ok with this. This article is from the UK. My mother is british, so half of my family lives in the UK. and I know that none of my family would be ok with this.

Its one opinion of one group of IDIOT people.

It bothers me too, makes me sick really. I just cant stand the thought of it.

But....sometimes you just have to realize that their are really ignorant people in this world....and you just have to ignore it.

I highly doubt this would ever be legal!

Yes, Riley is a smarty-pants. No, I'm not gonna be jealous of her either :-)
She's right, though. Nothing to add to her point.

There will always be positive and negative in the world. Focus your attention on the positive. There is a theory out there that you will attract and create more of what you focus on.

The media takes a few bad things that happen far away and it blows them up and makes everyone think it's happening everywhere. It's not. Yes, bad things happen, but most people live perfectly normal happy lives.