Still Having Problems

Updated on April 29, 2008
D.Q. asks from Irving, TX
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I've made posts before about my son not behaving in daycare. He was kicked out of 2 daycares & is on his way to being kicked out of a third. In the first 2 he just wouldn't listen to his teachers, he would hit the other kids, run out of the classroom, wouldn't do his work, etc...Now it's not so much the hitting other kids, but definately the not listening. If he doesn't want to do it, (school work, quiet time, group time, etc...), he pitches a fit. His teacher tries to put him in time out by hiself so as not to disturb the other kids, but he just won't have it. She ended up having to move all of the other kids to another side of the room just to get him by himself. When he does do something good they're great about giving him the immediate praise but that's coming very few & far between these days. He's been really bad about not listening at home too. We're having to tell him the same thing over & over again. We know he can hear us & we know he can focus bc he can sit down & watch one of his movies or his cartoons with no problems. We've tried everything from spanking, to taking toys away, taking dessert away, grounding him to his room when he's bad, etc.... I even made a behavior chart a few weeks ago. For everyday that he's good he gets a check. If he's bad he gets a big red x. At the end of each day, if he's good, he gets a prize or special priviledge, (gets to ride his bike, gets a little extra dessert, a new small toy, etc...). I have a very strong willed child & I just don't know what to do about it. He seems to do better when he's in a smaller group or class where there's more individual attention, but I'm hesitant to take him out of his daycare & put him in a private home daycare, as I don't want to stunt his socialization skills or his academics. He loves everybody & enjoys playing with other kids, but he's having a problem with authority. He's very intellegent & is doing the school work of the older kids in his daycare, but his maturity level is that of a toddler who's just learning to test the waters. He's very well aware of how he's supposed to behave, why can't I get him to do it???? I'm worried that if this continues to be a problem when he starts kindergarden in August '09, he'll learn to hate school altogether. What can I do???

***So my husband gets a call this afternoon from his daycare saying that he was literally throwing the chairs in their classroom around & throwing all kinds of fits. When he was sent up to the front office he threw a bigger temper tantrum. They couldn't get him to sit down, so that's when they called my husband. Our son wouldn't go to the phone so they put it on speaker & my husband put our son in his place. They didn't say they're going to kick him out, (at least not yet), but they did suggest behavior therapy. They're going to have some info for us today when we go to pick him up, but do you moms out there have any ideas on where we can go or who he should speak to??? Is this kind of thing covered on insurance?? I'm thinking more & more that I need to put him in a privite home daycare, however I don't want him acting this way in somebody else's home. Thanks for the help!!

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S.

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I'm no expert on child behavior and sadly can't answer your question in total, but I will respond to one thing - the issue about not having enough nice things to give positive reinforcement for. I noticed a problem like that with my twin girls when they were about the same age. Some of it had to do with insecurity and needing more attention. I did the behavior chart like you describe, but I got a ton of stickers at Office Depot; there was like a hundred in a pack. I made a big deal and started putting stickers on there for everything I could think of. Every time they did something good - even basic expectations, I would put a sticker on there. We had a deal that every time they had five little stickers they would get a big sticker as a prize. When they had 5 big stickers, they got a trip to Planet Pizza (we would ride 5 rides and leave; that's just $10). I worried that my scheme was too complicated, and planned to adjust if that was too hard to comprehend, but they loved it and it really helped. They really appreciated all the compliments and the excitement of getting the stickers. If they sat right at dinner, bingo a sticker; if they ate all their food; bingo another sticker. I stretched to find all the positive things, and let them make suggestions too. It really worked well. I only had to do it for about 3 or 4 weeks and noticed a big turnaround. Of course your son may be different. I understand, though, recently one of my 4 yr olds has been having some real troubles at school; more than once the teacher has had to pull me aside and mention they have had rough days. She used to be the sweetest best kid. I handle it by sitting down later and having talks with her; try to find out what is wrong. In my case, she felt other kids did not like her and it was making her act out. I reassured that the other kids did like her and talked about each one; she got better for a good while. So talk to him and see what's going on at school (from his eyes)

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T.O.

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D.,
He's only 4. Because you only have one, you don't really have enough to go on as far as what's possible and what's not with a 4 year old. You can watch other people's kids, but that's not the same..... you don't see those kids every moment so you have no idea what behaviors they do when you aren't looking.

Your son sounds like a young 4. They all develop differently, and he may be overstimulated with a large crowd. Smaller might be better. Less activities might be better.

I have 3 teens now, and I can tell you I am still upset with the amount of schoolwork they give the little ones in Elementary school. It's ridiculous. And I believe it is more harmful than helpful. They need to play, have stories read to them and have fun with art. Forget class work. That's something parents have been told is good for their kids to help the kids get a head start on the rest. Forget it. Really. It's over-rated, and school work as you will soon find out, is alot about you the parent doing the work at night with your kid.... which makes you wonder what they were doing in school for 9 hours.

Your boy sounds too stressed out already. Too much is expected of him by you and the daycare and he's acting out.

Life is short. Let him enjoy it and learn to love learning by not forcing him to do classwork at daycare but by playing and listening to stories. An in-home day care may be much better for him.

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J.S.

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I used to teach school, and it sounds like he may be bored. Is he not being challenged enough?

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A.M.

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Can you try him in martial arts? Martial Arts is a great outlet for behavior learning.... gaining respect for authority figures; having self control over body, emotions.... in addition to getting good exercise and building self confidence.

Not sure where you are located.... but USA Martial Arts in Plano (spring creek/coit) is wonderful. they are great with little kids. they take children as young as 3 1/2 yrs old. And they really are helpful with children who have behavior issues, learning disabilities or speech delays. USA Martial Arts has other locations around the Dallas area.
www.usamartialartsfitness.com

feel free to personal message me if you have any specific questions.

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J.O.

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There is nothing wrong with in-home childcare,in-home childcare teachers do the same things a daycare center does quote unquote somtimes a child with problems like that needs to be with a smaller group of kids and in a more home setting,i am a registered childcare provider and i had a kid that came from a daycare center after being kicked out of 2 centers because of his behavior and he did really well with me, i watched 4 kids at the time.

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L.S.

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I'm no expert, but it sounds like he may be bored and in the wrong environment. In my opinion, again I'm not an expert, they are not handling this right. He's only 4 for goodness sake and frankly I'd be surprised if he COULD focus on something he's not interested in in the first place. Have you ever considered maybe a Montessori or Reggio school? I think it might be worth exploring in your case.

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