Helping Hubby Understand discipline...sorry, a Bit Long

Updated on September 07, 2012
S.K. asks from Plano, TX
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I'm looking for ways to express what I don't like about the way my husband disciplines our 4 year old son. Here's this evening's example...

The kids were in the bathtub. Our older one, the 4 year old, was not listening and had been testing limits all evening. My husband was trying to wash his hair and he was whining "no, I don't want you to do that, stop it" etc. He actually said "Papa, this is not acceptable to me!" hee hee.

Anyway, my husband was getting more and more worked up and they were kind of feeding off each other and so suddenly my husband blew up; he picked him up out of the tub, dropped him to his feet just outside the bathroom door, and closed the door in his face. He was standing there dripping wet with shampoo in his hair, he started crying, and my husband was saying to him through the door "you will learn to listen! you never listen!" So after a minute or two, he opened the door and asked him if he was ready to listen. He was clearly mad at daddy but knew he had to say yes to get back in the warm tub. So he said yes and climbed back in.

Daddy rinsed his hair and then asked him to stand up to wash his body and he said no, that he wanted Mommy to finish the bath. So, again, Daddy plucked him out of the tub and closed the door in his face for not listening. My son started crying immediately saying "not again!" Hubby could tell that I was not approving and he said to me, hey, you always say we need to be consistent with time-outs when he doesn't listen, so thats what I'm doing.

So he took the little one out of the tub and left the older one with me. He was upset of course, and pouty, and when I asked him to let the water out of the tub he said no. I calmly told him that if he couldn't make a good choice and listen he would lose the knight outfit he'd gotten from his aunt today and was planning to sleep with. He let the water out and we went on with bedtime routine.

Of course I wish we wouldn't have to threaten a consequence to get compliance with every simple request. Its frustrating. There are a lot of things we're working on. But I don't think I ever make him feel the way I imagine he felt standing in the dark, dripping wet with shampoo running down his face. Am I misreading this? Am I too soft?

So I'm trying to figure out how to explain to him what I felt was wrong with this situation. I don't want to put hubby down or undermine him; he's a great dad and I'm not trying to say I'm perfect; far from it. But I can tell you that when its just me with the kids, my son is much better behaved. He follows my directions better, he is more respectful of me, and when I do have to time him out, its never this emotional. I do, of course, get pissed and frustrated and want to lose my temper. But I'm somehow able to keep things calmer and make it more black and white cause and effect without the emotional blow up. And my relationship with my son is a little more solid than my husband's with him, and this bothers my husband. I feel like its a cycle. I want to help.

I tried to tell hubby tonight that the way he handled it was more to relieve his own anger than to help our son learn better behavior. He thinks I'm too soft on him because I don't put him in time out or punish him as much. He doesn't get that I don't have to time him out as often because he listens to me better. My son can trust me not to blow up at him like that; he knows he has to listen to me and that if he doesn't, there will be a consequence, but its not going to be that....mean.

So, any thoughts? Any suggested reading? He is not going to read a whole book on discipline; just not going to happen. But I could probably get him to read an article or something like that.

Thanks in advance!

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So What Happened?

To clarify - I am a huge believer in hubby and I being on the same page, our relationship being the rock of the house, I never undermine him in front of the kids, and I do approach these discussions from a let's figure this out together perspective. I was just looking for some ideas on how to express my feelings about the way he sometimes handles things, which I have every right to do. He was, in fact, yelling at him. He was making him feel bad rather than teaching him something. That's what I'm trying to get at. Man, posting here can be so hard sometimes. I'm trying not to let my experiences this week drive me away from here, because from many people I get such helpful answers. And I am not just looking to be told what I want to hear, I'm asking for genuine suggestions. But some people can't seem to get over themselves. I've had at least posters to to this question who inserted a dig at me for a previous post. So let me once again say - my posts on mamapedia are not the full picture of my life. I come here to ask specific questions from time to time. I don't need judgments or for others' CLEAR insecurities to be used to lash out at me. I've definitely learned that I'll never use the word "gifted" on this site again, which is why I was looking for another one, and I think I've found it so I'll be turning there for things related to that aspect of my life.

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B.M.

answers from Chicago on

hmmmm. I just want to add that your husband came as close to providing a natural consequence as you can get. He was *misbehaving* in the tub.... so the TUB is what goes away and YOUR SON is the one who *feels* the consequence.

Also - I don't think ending bathtime is a "mean" consequence. But not being able to wear a certain set of PJs isn't an appropriate consequence to misbehaving in the tub. The two are unrelated.

Now - could your hubby have not been so gruff? probably. But, it doesn't sound like he yelled. It doesn't sound like he insulted your son. It sounds like he was pretty consistent - even though his tone was maybe too gruff. Additionally, he used the same consequence a 2nd time.

I do think that once you start trying to dictate HOW someone does something (for a stylistic difference..... inappropriateness is something else) then you should expect to start having to do that task.... in ADDITION to the rest of the tasks you do.

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J.S.

answers from Columbia on

Yeah, my wife thinks she's the baby whisperer too.

Until I point out that the kids are still whining, and she's giving in.

Anyway, you can't control your husband, so I'd tone down the whole "you're not doing it right" attitude. Maybe approach it as - hey, lets figure out what the answer is BEFORE he whines. And then BOTH compromise on what "the right way" is.

But if you came at me with "you're not doing it right" - I'd let you take over the baths for a good long while. Not to mention the damage done to the relationship between you and him.
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L.A.

answers from Austin on

One thing I have learned is that moms. parent one way and dads parent another. Also there are lots of way to discipline a child.. even within the same home.

I like the way you parent, it works for me and our child.

My husband parents a lot like me, but also sometimes a little more direct, when he felt our daughter was not catching on, or taking him seriously. He could be a bit more harsh.. This also got her attention. It was his way and she learned he was being serious when he went for the stronger approach. She knew to get it together for him.. She knew she she could not call for me, because my answer was, "listen to dads words. "

Your son was not listening, so your husband was showing son he was serious about what he was talking about. Time out is one way to handle it and that is what he did. Was it the ideal way to do it? Not for me... Obviously not for you..

You can help by explaining to your child. "You need to listen and do what dad says, so he will not do that again." He put you in time out because you told him no about rinsing your hair.

"If you would have let dad rinse your hair, dad would not have been frustrated with you. Remember, Dad is not going to put up with your back talk. "

When your son backed talked to you, you chose one way to handle it by giving him the threat of taking something away from him.. Your husband would have placed him in time out..

Different, but each can work.

Allow your husband to parent his way and back him up in front of your children.. Your children are smart enough to know what you expect and the more dad parents they will learn what he needs.. Then when your children begin school, they will learn what the teacher expects.

Just let your husband know you both need to back each other up in these situations, but if you need a break to ask the other parent to take over.

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S.B.

answers from Houston on

I must be a terrible mother because I don't see anything wrong with what your husband did. Your son wasn't listening to dad and dad showed him what would happen. Negative consequence to negative behavior. I have no issue being "mean" to my kids. I am the mom and it is my job to train them to be civilized well adjusted individuals.

My kids are now 24 and 20. Both very positive, loving young adults. They also knew who the boss was. ME and their DAD.

Next time, talk with your husband. He has his own way and whether you agree or not, you need to present a united front in front of your kids. Behind close doors you can discuss. I don't understand why he should read an article. I would have told DS "next time you need to listen to Daddy. The reason you got in trouble was because you weren't listening. You need to put on your listening ears".

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V.W.

answers from Jacksonville on

I like what Laurie A had to say. Essentially, he was giving a time out. Maybe Dad didn't know about the knight costume. Maybe he thought threatening to take something away was a "worse" threat than making him stand in the hallway for a minute.
(ETA: And he was at least cognizant of the fact that he still had a child in the tub that he couldn't leave unattended, so he removed your son from the situation without leaving the other child in the bath alone.)

Dad's do parent differently, even if using the same "method", than moms do. It is one reason that kids need a mom AND a dad.

Yes, you could construe that what your husband did was very mean. But just one incident does not mean that he is doing anything harmful to your child. Without other examples that demonstrate a general lack of concern for your son's feelings, I wouldn't make an issue of it. But, what I would discuss with your husband is that sometimes (especially around this age) explaining the reasons WHY something needs to happen helps with compliance.

Some people mistakenly think that explaining something means you are trying to convince a child to do something, when they really don't need to be convinced, they just need to "do". But kids are sponges and if you explain something to them, it can make them understand why compliance (rather than disobedience) is smarter--not to avoid discipline, but for the actual reason the action is required to begin with: like the hair rinsing.

You also might make some suggestions (suggestions--not telling him he is doing it all wrong!) to Dad, about HOW to give the bath in a way that is more conducive to compliance for your son. For example: my husband's way to rinse shampoo from our kid's hair, was to fill the rinse cup with water and dump it straight down over the top of their heads, while they were sitting there playing with whatever bath toy. They HATED him giving their baths. MY method, was to tell them, "look up at the ceiling so I can rinse your hair", which they did, and I poured the water more slowly from the front of their forehead, back towards the back of their head--so that the water/suds all ran down their backs and not in their faces. It was also way more effective at actually getting the shampoo out.
But, dad's are notorious for not wanting moms to tell them how to do things. They have their own way. But, JUST LIKE the situation with your son/husband, if you take the time to explain why doing something THIS way is better/easier, they might be more willing to accept it and do it than if you just say "do this". ;)

ETA after your SWH: Yelling? You didn't say he was yelling in your original post... not that I read. And I read it more than once. Was he yelling through the door? Because I might have done that, to be sure he could hear me through the closed door.
And honestly, the more times I read it, what stands out to me most is your child telling your father "No" to an instruction. If my child told me "no," I'd not be talking ever so sweetly to them. It just doesn't happen. Never has. "I don't want to" is fine, "Do I haaaave to?" is fine, "Whyyyyyy?" is fine, but to tell me flat out "no"? YAY for dad for plopping him in the hallway. He was patient for a bit before for the first "no", and the "no" is what was the straw that broke the camel's back. Then when he told him "no" again, Dad didn't waffle but served up the same response for flat disobedience. Good for him.

You might very well find, in a few years, that you are extremely grateful for a husband that expects his sons to obey his parents. My son is now 14, in another year he will be bigger than me. When they are small is when they need to learn to respect their parents. "No" is backtalk and disrespectful.

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A.V.

answers from Washington DC on

At 4, I'm finding that DD doesn't mind as quickly. She has her own mind, her own ideas, her own timeline. Sometimes it is easy to get frustrated with a small child who you just wish would do x and y. But sometimes the issue is less the child and how I as the adult want things to be. Is it really going to hurt anything if DD wants to use the pink plate for just one food item? No.

Sometimes what we need to do is teach kids what TO do and WHY. "DD, I need you to look at the ceiling so that the water doesn't get in your face. I know you don't like water in your eyes. If you do this, the rinsing will go easier and be over more quickly. If you fight me, it will take longer and I might get water in your face. Please do the smart thing."

While DD does get time out still, there are other things that are becoming more effective - like your cause and effect. For DD, if she squirrels around, she won't have time for the things she wants - a book, a game, an extra song. It is hard for her when she's run out of time, but it is a lesson she is learning.

I think you and DH should brainstorm how to deal with DS, acknowledging that he's changing from toddler to preschooler, and acknowledging where personalities clash. There are a lot of articles on preschoolers that can teach you both about how DS may be thinking and growing.

If a certain activity is just not good for the two of them, divide and conquor. Make sure DH gets down time as a dad to just play and have fun vs always being the heavy. And encourage them both. Praise them when things go well. I have also had to remind DH that she is 4. She's not going to snap to and she's not one of his employees. If he needs to tag out, he can, but yelling isn't going to fix it. We ALL get frustrated. Sometimes you need to count to 10 and try again.

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S.G.

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Every husband is different. But my husband is probably like a lot of others out there, which is that he will go on the defensive if he hears "I'm doing it right, you're doing it wrong, here's how to do it like me." I have gotten much better results with an approach kind of like this:
You wait until things are non-heated, then you say to him:
"I am trying SO HARD to work on getting Junior to listen. I feel like I'm just talking without being heard here. What do you think?"
So basically, you adopt the role of the person trying to improve the results of the discipline method. This gives your husband a voice, which he deserves. And it will give you a forum to present your ideas too, not in a judgemental "My way or the highway" mode, but a more subtle "Hey, I was reading an article on Mamapedia and here were some ideas I thought sounded valid."
This will also reinforce the fact that you and your husband are a team working towards the same goal. Beware of aligning yourself with your son and capitalizing on what you see as a more "solid" relationship than the one your husband shares with him. The most solid relationship in your house needs to be between you and your spouse.
Also I have achieved some success in disarming a tense situation with humor. I have been known to point at my husband (out of the kid's earshot) and say "You're being such a Meeeeean Daddy."
Hope you get what you want.

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M.L.

answers from Houston on

Dr. Sears is an expert in child rearing in discipline. Instead of going to your husband with what he did wrong, go to him with a resource and say, "Here is some great advice we can implement together!"

This is small, easily readable excerpts on discipline, (like how to get your child's attention, how to control anger to be more effective...):
http://askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior

and this is how to discipline for specific behaviors:
http://askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/botherso...

My husband and I do have his book, but the advice he has online is still wonderful! Good luck!

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❤.M.

answers from Los Angeles on

Very nicely speak "with" your husband letting him know that while timeouts are effective & needed, he did not give him a timeout.

Timeouts are not meant to be mean, excessive or overly punishing (like making him stand out in the cold while he's wet).

Maybe your son reacts to each of you differently due to how you treat HIM.

Best thing would be to is to talk w/your hubby (in about 5 not threatening sentences) that while you appreciate his help, the way he handled it wasn't the best way (citing putting him out in the cold hallway dripping wet).

First, warnings & words are given and used (ever been let off by a cop w/a warning & no ticket?).

Outline nicely, we are going to take a quick bath then you can play etc.

Get it done, be gentle. Less problematic and chore accomplished.

Good luck & best wishes.

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