Help with Neighbors

Updated on May 28, 2014
K.L. asks from Castle Rock, CO
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Hi everyone! I am new to the forum. I desperately need some advice about dealing with my neighbors. I have live in my culdesac for the last 12 years and 10 of those were wonderful years. The usual assortment of some nicer , some less nice neighbors but everyone was cordial. In the last 2 years, we have several new neighbors move in and unfortunately the nicer ones had moved out. Gradually my family and I are slowly being ostracized from the rest of the culdesac. It has gotten so bad that now when there are culdesac parties (and we have the house right at the end of the culdesac) we are never invited anymore. We would literally be outside the house and everyone would pretend to not see us. We have never been unpleasant to anyone and have in the last few years baked and brought goodies to all our neighbors during the holidays or when they moved in. I had stopped doing so with some of the nastier ones who once told me that they had so much goodies that they had no time to eat mine. What happened to a simple thank you! I feel terrible and disappointed by the hypocrisy. Should I move? I hate to give in to the meanness but am terribly uncomfortable in my own home. Pls help.

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A.B.

answers from St. Louis on

Aw... I am sorry you feel that way, and I would love to have you as my neighbors. I am a friendly person!
I have a few neighbors who are friendly, talk to me and their kids come over and my kids go over their house to play and hang out. Others are nice and polite and just wave when they see me around; most of my neighbors don't even say Hi when they see me, or pretend they do not see me (close distance) . It doesn't bother me, but I notice it, and as I have my own life and worries, they have theirs, and they just do not want me and my family in their lives, because they are too busy or have family and other friends and they do not need more, or they have another interests. There are many reasons. These neighbors? I am not interested in having them as my friends, period.
I suggest you that you ignore them, find friends somewhere else, and just wave to them from the distance when you see them. Do not worry , be happy!

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P.K.

answers from New York on

Sounds like part of the story is missing. Can't imagine e eryone just decided to exclude you because they felt li,e it. Something must have happened. Fill us in. Then we might be able to help.

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F.B.

answers from New York on

K.-

Sorry to hear that your neighbors are so un-neighborly. I suggest you grow a thick skin, or you move.

Best,
F. B.

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L.R.

answers from Washington DC on

If neighbors are not toxic, destructive or overly loud: It is just not essential to your life to be buddies with your neighbors. It IS useful if you and your neighbors have at least a basic speaking relationship where they'd tell you, "Some weird car was parked in front of your house all morning while you were away" or whatever. We'd all want that, or we'd want neighbors who would tell us if there were issues in the area that affected you all (a rash of break-ins, strangers walking around the houses, or the cops coming around to tell folks about something happening locally, etc.). But truly, it is not necessary to be friends with neighbors to the point you're socializing.

IF you have other things in common with neighbors, shared interests or activities that give you a real connection, that's a start to a real friendship. But just living near someone does not mean you have to or need to socialize -- proximity is not an automatic reason for friendship. So basically, if you like the house, the schools, the area, if it's convenient for jobs, for activities, etc., and the neighbors are not toxic but just don't pay you much attention socially -- why would that be a reason to go to the huge hassle and expense and drama of a move?

Having said that: I agree with the many other posters who note that something seems to be missing here. Is it possible that these newer neighbors have things in common with each other and not with you or your family? Things that make them likelier to socialize with each other and not with your family, so you interpret it as "They're ostracizing me on purpose" when really they just don't think about inviting you?

For instance, do you have younger kids but they all have older kids (or vice versa), or you have kids but they mostly are couples without kids? Maybe they go to the same church that's not yours? Their kids go to the same school or play in the same sports league? The adults have similar jobs or backgrounds, which you might not be aware of?

In other words - this may not be about you, or your baked goods, at all. It may be that they have other links you don't see or know about. I agree that it's simply weird to have a party outside on a cul-de-sac and not invite everyone, but are these parties right on the street itself or in one family's yard and others go over there? There's a difference. But whatever's going on, I'd make my life more about what's outside the neighborhood - the kids' schools and activities, my own friends who are not in the neighborhood, etc., than worrying so hard about the neighbors that I was uncomfortable in my own home.

Is there something we're missing here?

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M.P.

answers from Raleigh on

If they were having a party right in front of my house, I would take that as a prime opportunity to mow the lawn or do extensive weed-eating. hehe (Just kidding- ok maybe not really)... :)
I would just ignore them, and no I would definitely not move. They'll eventually go away. I know it hurts, but you sound like a nice person and they are really not worth the time of day. As for your daughter, she sounds like smart girl. As long as you set a good example, she will follow.
Good luck and chin up!

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P.R.

answers from Cleveland on

I'm sorry. We are friends with people in our neighborhood and it's great. We all say how nice it is. Sounds like it used to be like that in yours... I'm thinking this one family doesn't want to be friends and when new people moved in, they likely slanted them against you. When people are new and they meet a nice family (on the surface) and that family tells them "oh, xyz family is odd and they don't speak English well etc", the new family probably doesn't bother to find out the truth. So if they did that with a few new families, boom, you're no longer included. And if you don't go out of your way to speak to the new families one on one, it'll be very easy for them to just wave but never get to know you. I know you came by with goodies but that probably wasn't enough to overcome. I'd say try to speak to these other moms 1:1 but it may not be worth it. They probably have their "group" set and aren't going to budge. Whether or not to move depends on how much you need the neighbors. If you move, no guarantee there will be a good group in your new spot. So try not to be uncomfortable. Wave and be friendly and tell yourself you don't need them and throw a party for other friends. Let them see cars parked in front of your house... We have families we're not friends with in the neighborhood bc they just haven't been out and about much or made much effort. I don't think of them as "losers" who should be embarrassed. I figure they have other friends. So create that reality for you guys too.

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V.S.

answers from Reading on

This is interesting. There are always two sides to every story. I have the feeling that this is an exercise you could do, even if you say you don't know why. In your post, how about you write what you think your neighbors would write if they were addressing mamapedia with concerns about their neighbor (you). There simply is not enough info in your post to actually answer you.

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E.E.

answers from Denver on

This is odd. Did something happen? Are you different in some way from your neighbors that they may not know how to handle (or be prejudiced against)? Do they all go to the same church? Have some other history you don't share?

You are in a beautiful part of the state. If you like your home, school, and neighborhood otherwise, stay put. Make an effort to make your own friends, have your own parties, go hiking with your family, and live your life as fully as possible. To heck with the neighbors.

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ETA: You sound like a nice neighbor. I would have accepted (and eaten!) the cookies! It sounds like your neighbors might be a bit racist, classist - or both. If so, you don't want them for friends anyway. It stinks and it hurts, but you should definitely try not spend your precious time & energy on them....and don't even THINK about moving because of them if YOU like where you are otherwise. You can fill your life with people that value you and your kids. They don't have to live next door.

Good luck.

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M.J.

answers from Sacramento on

I lived in a small apartment complex once where I faced hostility. The apt. manager would use my parking spot (which was paid for in my rent) for her daughter and personal guests whenever she felt like it. I complained that I was paying for that spot (and it saved me from a long walk in the rain with groceries). She yelled at me that if I didn't like it, I could move. That actually wasn't an option because where I lived there was an extremely low apt. vacancy rate, so I was stuck. It got to the point where I couldn't talk to her about anything, such as the neighbor below me blasting music at 6 am on the weekend. It was NOT fun living there, so I understand what it's like to live in a place where you don't feel welcome. Thankfully, I got engaged and moved out of that awful place.

If you like your home and like your schools, I wouldn't necessarily move. Do these people just leave you alone? If they do, then it's not so bad. You can go about your life and not worry they will harm you, your property or your family. If it's hostile, though, I'd give thought to moving.

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A.V.

answers from Washington DC on

I own my home. My property is my space within this community. If I am friendly with the people around me, that is a bonus. If I am not friendly but they stay out of my way and nobody bothers anyone, I'm fine with that, too. I've had nasty neighbors that did things like take our dog to the pound, knowing he was our dog. A few years back, a house down the street was a party house and we had to call the cops repeatedly. I'll take the quiet family that lives there now but I don't know instead.

While I get mourning the loss of an insular part of the neighborhood, sometimes areas change. People move in and out. People no longer have things in common. We invited our neighbors across the street to a barbecue only because we also invited two of the wife's friends. Otherwise, even though they live there, they really don't have anything in common with us. However, we regularly hang out with the young family behind us. They have a similarly aged child to ours, and we have a lot more in common. Is it possible that you simply no longer have anything in common?

It sounds like you have a certain type of socializing you are comfortable with and they have theirs. You may not like their reaction, but unbidden baked goods may not be something they want. My aunt has turned down goodies when she was on a diet, or because my uncle has diabetes. Is it possible that they were trying not to be too rude but it was misconstrued? If you brought me apple pie, I'd have to turn you down in part because two of my family members couldn't eat it and I don't eat cooked fruit.

I would not move unless they were being horrible to you and you could no longer live comfortably in your home. Moving is a big reaction to (IMO) a small thing. You've seen neighbors come and go. Maybe in a few years things will change again and you'll have given up a home you like for lack of a barbecue. Or you could move to a new area and still feel like an outsider because YOU are the new person and they've been in their homes for 15 years.

What I would do, frankly, is invite your own friends and family to your home and if you see neighbors out and about, invite them over, or just enjoy your space. Or reach out to neighbors outside your cul de sac and see if they want to come over, say hi when you walk the dog, etc. I'm sure these few houses are not the only possible people you could interact with.

ETA: I'm betting that your child is a tween or teen. Those relationships are SO mercurial. My SD won't go to our community pool anymore because someone she used to be friends with "might" be there. Her loss. But if it started with the girls not getting along, I can see how the awkward would just progress if you were only neighborly and not really dear friends. And there may be some culture clash going on. Some cultures are honestly more receptive and polite than others. My response to my friend from Taiwan may be taken differently than my friend from Iowa. I still think that the best thing to do is live well and do your own thing. If they want to party on their front lawn, then you invite your other friends over for a party on your patio. If the other people are jealous and manipulative then why try to be friends with them? Ignore them. Focus on others.

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A.S.

answers from Boca Raton on

I wish you were my neighbor!!!

I think I would start looking at other homes/neighborhoods. That being said you've been there a long time. Maybe things will change for the better again. People come and go.

Good luck - wish I had more answers for you. Our neighbors aren't so nice either (though a couple of nice ones live further down the street from us).

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J.S.

answers from Richland on

Chinese, yeah, it is in part a perception issue, part they just don't want to be your friends. Sounds like your old neighbors were more into community, these are not. That doesn't make them bad, it is just a different culture.

Generally speaking Americans don't fake friendship because it is the nice thing to do. You wouldn't really want someone faking nice because they usually want something from you, who wants that.

You had neighbors that were friends, these new neighbors will eventually move, then maybe people with similar personalities will move back in.

In the end though they are not bullying you, they are not ostracizing you, they aren't your friend and they aren't going to act like they are. They are not worth your time.

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S.W.

answers from Amarillo on

ETA: I am sorry you feel put out because you are not the same as your neighbors in ethnicity. I wish it were not like this in the US but it is and sometimes people are afraid of anything or anyone being different than them. If you can find other people like you in the area it might be a good time to make a few friends. I do understand the feeling of being excluded while everyone else is having a good time. It doesn't take the pain away but know you are not the only one in this boat.
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About every 10 to 15 years a neighborhood changes. People move in and out and the kids grow up. Personalities also come and go.

When you moved in everyone was probably or near the same age and you all had things in common. Over span of the 10 years the mix changed.

It is nice to be included in some things but it is not happening here. So do find new or old friends and do your thing. Maybe in a few years if you don't move (expensive in that part of CO) things will change again. I wouldn't let the fact that my neighbors don't socialize with me run me out of my home.

the other S.

PS Find some new hobbies and make new friends.

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S.T.

answers from Washington DC on

we were friends with all our neighbors in our old neighborhood. we don't like or associate with any of 'em out here. no bad feelings- just no desire whatsoever to socialize with them.
i can't imagine selling my home because the neighbors don't want my cookies. but if you're that dialed in to what how your neighbors view you, then yeah, i guess you might need to move.
how do you plan to guarantee that all your new neighbors will want to be your friends?
khairete
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I.O.

answers from McAllen on

I'm with Julie G. and AV on this one. I don't want to be social with my neighbors. If we fall out for whatever reason--or if I decide that I just don't want to be bothered for some reason--that would be too close to home for my comfort. Also, I do not knowingly eat food from the kitchens of strangers. I wouldn't touch whatever you brought, and I wouldn't want to encourage you to come back with more.

How would I communicate all that to you? Not sure. Also not sure how it would go over. It's obvious that they are just less like you and your ideals, and that's okay. You are used to things being a certain way, and they're just not anymore. I get the soul-level discomfort in that and trying to figure out what to do with yourself in the face of it, but--just from what you've posted here--they've done nothing wrong in my book. It's just different now, and that is unfortunate for you.

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J.J.

answers from Buffalo on

what started all the nastiness...it sounds like there might have been some precipitating event...
Moving is always an option if you don't mind the hassle. Moving can also be a nice way to clean things out. Do you have kids? That would be a factor to consider in terms of changing schools.

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