Bless your heart! I have a 9 yo with ADD, and wonder how you can manage two! Good for you! Anywho, I know you said you tried charts, but I have found that with my daughter, charts are the only thing that help her through the day. It has been proven that charts and lists that kids with ADD/HD can check off things on, make them feel better about themselves, and get to their accomplishments easier. I make sure my daughter bathes in the evening, when it is less hectic, and we lay out everything the night before. Her clothes, socks, shoes, backpack, and sometimes even the bowl, spoon and cereal are on the table the night before. She goes about her morning, checking off everything on her list, and I don't have to tell her what to do next. Since your children are younger, you can draw or print out photos of the activities on a chart, so they will not have to read the activity if they are not able. I also have an award system. She has what I call 'Behavior Bucks'. If she checks everything on her chart, and of course actually does them, she gets a paper money dollar at the end of the day. If she does not behave (lies, draws on the wall, doesn't listen, etc.) she gets one taken away. When she has saved up 10 'bucks', she gets to pick a special activity like one on one time with me, a small toy, a movie rental, etc. Something she wants. It has seemed to work well for us for about a year now, and she is off all stimulant meds. I say try it again, and keep at it. ADHD kids need to know whats next in their day. The charts can make it a little easier, and maybe the reward insentive will give them that extra push to follow through! Good luck!