Even This Technique Doesn't Work!!!!!!! Any Advice???

10 hrs? Really?

I'd like to be polite, but I feel you'd have much better results if you stopped following Supernanny to the book, and used a little common sense along with it. If something isn't working, then there are other things. Imagine, read, ask, learn and please try the different methods.

You don't want to be remembered as the dad who enforced '10 horrible hrs' all her life.

Please.

I'd be agressive too if you locked me up for 10 hours.

I think you are a troll on here trying to fire everyone up. If not, then I think a call to CPA is in order to remove your children from your custody before you do more damage than you already have.

Please seek real parenting classes, not books. The techniques you are pursuing are extreme-- and extremely unhelpful for both you and your child.

Know this-- if you are not a troll posting as a parent, your child is going to wind up with some extreme psychosis because YOU, as parents, have a problem. Your family will need counseling and you and your spouse will be scratching your heads wondering *why* your child acts out constantly. You NEED to get some family counseling. You need to get some personal counseling and work on your thinking-- WHY ANYONE needs to engage in these power struggles with a child for ten hours says more to me about the parent than about the child.

In short-- go get your own stuff straightened out first, then figure out the behavioral stuff. Or I can guarantee that your problems are going to explode over time and you will have NO control over yourself or your child.
You need to take a hard look in the mirror and into the future... is this what you want? Is this how YOU would want your parent to treat you? Because what you describe doesn't teach your daughter to respect you, as person, you are only teaching her the dominance of the parental figurehead- and it's not working, is it?

Has anyone looked at this account's question history?

No answer history either.

I agree Melissa's suggestion for a family counselor. If you're real, you guys really do need help. I don't mean that in a mean, disrespectful way, but your whole family really needs help to work together. This is not how families are supposed to be. And it's NOT all on the kids. Your family needs to get help to learn how to come together. Your posts sadden me, but a stranger who isn't SEEING you isn't going to be able to help you. Please go get some professional help. And with Supernanny's method, a FOUR YEAR OLD would sit for FOUR MINUTES, not 10 hours.

ETA: The self help stuff (websites, books, etc) is NOT HELPING YOU. Supernanny's website is supposed to be a guideline; that woman would not make your child sit in her room for 10 hours. You are not helping your child learn anything here but to be angry. Your older child wasn't really learning anything when you told her to do chores while she was moving out. You need to STOP what you're doing and get help. Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result, is INSANITY. And this is not the first post regarding a 10 hour timeout (or other foolishness) that you've written. STOP the INSANITY, and enlist a professional.

I would look further. No one book is going to have all the answers for every child.

I would seek parenting classes or discuss this behavior with her pediatrician or a family counselor. It is hard to say if this is behavior that is due to something like ODD or just a bad combination of personalities. I think I said before that if one thing doesn't work, find something else. How old is she? Is the behavior expected at her age? (Which doesn't make it right, but helps you understand where she's coming from - for example, some clashes might be diffused if you give her a choice when you can).

My DD does get time outs, but when her behavior warrants, she also gets to clean up the mess or she gets to miss out on a playdate or has to leave the park early, etc.

Is this a battle of wills or is this really cause, consequence, end? It's really hard to tell from here. Beyond no and don't and stop, I think we ALSO need to work on training our kids what TO do as well.

Edit to add that I see from other posts that there might be 2 older siblings who recently moved out or want to move out and a lot of chaos in the home. I would not ignore the effect that has on a 4 yr old who doesn't have the words to express her frustration, her fears, etc. Maybe this is a time when instead of reacting to the individual behaviors, you look at the overall family picture and try to make the environment more calm so that the child is more calm. Sometimes when our kids are at their worst, they really need a hug, too.

Please see a family counselor/behavioral therapist - for the entire family. They will work with you and practice strategies - that will help YOUR family. Books are a great resource, sure, but you cannot just pick one up and expect that to be what works - we aren't all carbon copies - we all have different physical and mental make-ups - what works for some, or even most, may not work for you.

Is respect being modeled in your home? Are you respectful to the children's mother? Are you treating your children with consistent discipline with respect? If you are not modeling respect, your children can not learn what respect is, do not ever expect to get it from children who have never seen it. Have you ever tried parenting classes, where you can interact with an instructor?

Maybe it is time for professional help... have you had your daughter evaluated? It may be time to get suggestions from someone other than a book.

Counseling.

Please.

How about stop using Supernanny's technique. They're obviously not working for your daughter. Try the techniques in this website.
http://www.ahaparenting.com/

True parenting requires the parent to study and learn the child to discover what works and what doesn't work. It is difficult to give advice without and example of a situation that caused you to have to discipline her.

Some questions you may want to ask yourself is: What is the purpose of the discipline? Are we getting the desired purpose met? How well does our child communicate? How well does your child understand what you are requesting? Are you giving the child enough time to transition from one thing to another when necessary but not always mandatory? Is the child prone to meltdowns? What is the cause of the meltdowns? Is your child capable developmentally of fulfilling what you are requiring of them? How much do you know about the development of a 4 year old in their social, physical, emotional and spiritual needs. Are you expecting her to behave older when she just doesn't have the capacity yet which is frustrating you and her?

It probably is time for you to attend some parenting classes. Sounds to me like you may be just too rigid or have little understanding of how to develop this child into a healthy and independent woman. It really does take a village but keep asking questions and keep trying new things and begin to learn what works for her and be prepared to change as she changes, grows and develops.

you cannot expect a 4 year old to sit for TEN HOURS..

please get counseling. family counseling.

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Anyone would be more agressive after a 10 hour discipline session! I answered your first question and I firmly believe that your entire family needs counseling. You certainly aren't giving credence to anything Supernanny has to offer!

It's my understanding that you give a WARNING before a time out.
What did she do?
Did you give a warning?

Maybe I'm not understanding your question.
Time outs didn't work well for us.
More effective was taking away the "thing." You know, the THING they like more than anyTHING else? The lovey, the toy, the activity.....

Have you been to family counseling, or had a professional evaluate your child?

Call your local CPS office, ask them to visit your home to provide their input into your parenting techniques. They could likely provide some advice and offering parenting class resources.