We Are Not That Limber

Gotta love the use of the word 'junk'. LOL.
I'm with ya, it sounds more like a smear campaign than anything else. And the settlements mean NOTHING.
When the wife gets home tonight I may try that reenactment thing.... I'm just sayin......

Who cares? His tax plan is going to be unaffordable to everyone but the wealthy. Even my rightie relatives aren't going to vote for him because they cant' afford his tax plan.

i bet your husband had a great time trying to reenact this with you, :)

What I find significant is you and your husband reenacting this. That's awesome!

This scandal is a pointless distraction. He has no chance either way. By the way - right now all the dirt coming out is being outed by other GOP nominees. That's how the primary season works. It really is disturbing that so many don't get that. They all try to knock each other out. Don't you remember the candidates Obama and Clinton taking shots at each other. During the primary, it's canibalism, eating thier own kind. The upside is, the dirt is out and dealt with before you face the other party.

Some guys are ambidextrous - they can grope equally well with both hands.
His 999 tax plan looks like an upside down 666 to me and although I'm not particularly superstitious or religious, I saw the Omen movies and it's just a number that's good to stay away from.
Of course it makes no sense, but then nothing in politics does.

I work in HR and we settle these cases ALL the time even if there is not one shred of proof. We know we would win in the long run, but the cost to fight them would cost 3-4 times more than it would to just settle. It boils my blood on principle, but I understand the companies position.

I don't believe them.

Oh my gosh. He needs to just back out and act as if nothing happened.

I can not believe any one that has had this type of scandal in his life, would attempt to still go for it....(I am not a fan of Clinton and his scandal either so do not go there)

It is not like he is, not saying it did not happen. In fact it is just the opposite.

He is agreeing something happened, and instead of facing the lawful consequences of his actions....he PAID the women to go away. ANYONE in a position of needing money, would take that deal. All the ladies if I understand correctly had just lost jobs or were in the process of doing so(i have only heard this...I do not know it as fact in my own head yet I still have to do some reading on the issue).

He never once HONESTLY said he did not do anything. When he did say it.....he came back like six hours later and said.....something else.

This guy is not someone who should be running the free world. He has no idea what he is doing and has shown that time and time again.

Sex scandal or not. This is just showing his true colors more and more.

I could see maybe ONE bad story in a see of allegations. So maybe Mrs. Bailek is the bad story...She was the first to come forward...But I believe the SIXTH victim noted. So, maybe she saw a lime light. He still has many more people saying this about him. Two of which seem very legit.

I think Herman Cain needs to focus on keeping his personal life together. The American People deserve a REAL shot at fixing the issues. We do not need to be the tabloid title across the globe because he was paying people off to skirt getting hit with Sexual Harassment charges.

He is making the rest of the Republican Party look bad. I am not trying to be mean to those who like him. But there is a better choice out there. in my opinion.

I am confused why it is a Smear campaign...Is it because he is a Republican involved in a sex scandal....Because I Anthony Wieners career was ruined over something that yes was a bit more apparent.....But he owned up to eventually. Herman Cain has not in come out and said I absolutely did not do anything...he went with needing to pay them off. That is not smear. that is wrong. Paying someone to be quite and go away is not ok. That is saying that something happened, but we do not want you to seek your rights to seek justice for what happened.

I am not smearing the Right side. Because there are a few on the right I am really trying to listen too. So I can make the best choice for next year. When you are coming to a debate...and the moderator asks you about Sex harassment allegations....Maybe that is not where you should be answering questions, of that nature. This is a serious time in our lives. And to have someone with that many skeletons in his closet at the time of entry, is not good. Because that only gives the media something to pick apart while he is in office....instead of focusing on the REAL issues.

I just think it would be smart to pick someone who is a bit more Transparent.

I do not see it as smear. I see it as a truthful moment he can not talk or pay his way out of.

It's all speculation.
And it's really a moot point.
He's done.
Stick a fork in him.

To me, the issue of a settlement does not prove guilt, but merely wanting to keep something that (true or not) could have harmed his career or company. Sexual harrassment allegations are VERY easy to make, but almost impossible to prove or disprove. It is almost always a "he said, she said" thing.

I could have made dozens of sexual harrassment allegations over the yeas--heck, I worked in a bar/steakhouse for 5 yrs from the age of 15-20. Yes, sexually harrassed on a daily basis, but it would rarely have been provable, since most comments were made to me privately, and contrarily, it would have beenalmost impossible for any man I accused of harrassment to prove me wrong. I can see how a CEO of a major corporation would settle to just make something go away.

Maybe we will never know, but I never understand why women choose to wait years, possibly even decades before coming out. When I was at that bar/restaurant I worked at, there was a class reunion for the class of 1966 from MY high school. One of the attendees was my aunt's old high school friend, and he came up and introduced himself to me as I sat in my hostess booth. I had a skirt on, and then he said to me, "What you got on under that skirt of yours?" SOOO creepy, and I slapped his hand (he was gesturing that he was going to lift my skirt) and I walked right over and told my aunt and uncle. Hell NO was I going to let him pretend to be my aunt's friend and then act in such a despicable manner (I was 17). Could I PROVE that he said that to me? No, I could not, but I reported it within 2 minutes of it occurring, and my aunt and uncle were able to see that this man is scum. To me, the time lapse is just too difficult to explain away.

I am constantly reminding my husband about how easy it is to say something that can be interpreted as sexual harrassment. He ALWAYS has his nurse in the exam room with him--is NEVER alone with a female co-worker, and intervenes when a male patient says something questionable to one of his employees.

Edit: If these allegations were true - why didn't these women STEP UP SIX MONTHS AGO?!??! When he first started out? Now that he's got momentum they want to smear him....sorry...if it had been me? I would have stepped up IN THE BEGINNING and would have been talking to any liberal media outlet that would listen...

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I think the whole thing is a smear campaign.

The second W.? She filed ANOTHER sexual harassment suit 3 years
AFTER the Cain one...so really people you want to believe an habitual filer? Give me a freaking break.

They (the liberal media) will pull out all the stops to smear him. Just like they did Palin. He is standing firm. Good for him.

The words (don't blame the banks, etc.) he used in response to the Occupy Wall Street have already been twisted. He wants people to take responsibility for their successes or lack there of...and it's already been twisted and you only get "part of the story"....if you are smart enough to research and find the WHOLE article or piece then you say "ahhhhhh" now I get it. But if you only hear part of it - yeah - it can get you riled up.

I will state that the hard and fast liberals will eat this up and use it. Spread it around like W. fire and make him look bad...it just takes a tad bit of intelligence to research and get it all...like you and Troy did...her accusations are her seeking 15 minutes of fame....

I don't care about the sexual allegations. So hard to prove one way or another. I think Herman Cain is dumb, I have seen interviews with him and he seems to lack the knowledge he should have to run the country, in my opinion.

To me it's a red herring because I don't support Herman Cain for policy reasons.

That being said, you have to wonder why all this is coming out now. After all, he's been on the national scene for some time.

Things that make you go hmmmmm . . .

I really don't care about the so called scandal. It's the season for this type of stuff in order for a party to come up with a viable candidate. What amazes me is that anyone would have ever have considered him presidential material.
His 999 tax plan would hurt almost all Americans except the most wealthy, raising taxes on 84% of US households by one estimate.
He proposed an electrified fence at the border and then when pressed about it said he was kidding and Americans need to "learn how to take a joke." (ha, ha that's hilarious, you're running for the nomination to President of the United States for God's sake)
Probably most troubling of all is his lack of foreign policy knowledge. He actually said he's concerned about China developing nuclear weapons, they've had them for decades, my 13 year old knows that. Here's the quote concerning China-
"Yes, they're a military threat," Cain said on the PBS NewsHour, in response to a question from Judy Woodruff. "They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat."

Here's his "China Strategy" on the economic front:
"My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they’re growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy — much bigger — but we’re growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China."

We cannot "Outgrow China", that is not a reasonalble statement or plan. To anyone that knows even a tiny bit about world economics it's ridiculous. The US has averaged about 2-3 percent growth in the last 30 years, we are not going to start growing at 5-6% not to mention the fact that China is the single biggest holder of our debt, over a trillion to date and has a growing population of well over a billion.

These are just a few of the many reasons Herman Cain is a joke and will never be elected president, regardless of this scandal.
Honestly, it's too bad because running against him would be a cake walk for Obama. Now if we could only dig up some skeltons in old Mitt's closet ;) I mean seriously, does anyone really think the GOP nominee is going to be anyone else?

A.L. said exactly what I think. This is settlement, nothing has been proven, and companies settled to lessen the impact of the bottom line.

Whether or not it happened only those ladies and he know the entire truth. I'm sorry but MANY high ranking officials have done A LOT worse in their personal sexual encounters.

I almost think he's being used by the parties to make another candidate look better!

If I had a nickle for every time I was "sexually harassed" I would be a millionaire. I swear woman want to be treated the same, but if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. Hell, I have probably sexually harassed someone before. Men or women. Women need to tuffin up or stay home barefoot and pregnant.

J., in my professional life, I worked with mostly men. Some were extremely pushy about everything, including making passes at women and saying sexually explicit stuff. I had to deal with that stuff myself, and it was HARD.

Now fast forward 13 years later, and let's say that one of these men who propositioned me has decided to run for president. What do I DO? Do I stay silent? Do I tell the truth? Do I put myself in the limelight to have people say about ME what I'm reading here on this thread in some of these posts?

The same people who say that Michael Jackson has to be guilty of molesting children because he paid them money to go away, say that Cain didn't because he paid them. I don't know the truth of either Jackson or Cain, but I CAN tell you that these women who have stepped up surely suffer plenty from doing it.

I'm sure I would have a hard time doing it, waiting months and months before even seeing a lawyer about it, if it were me. Or I'd probably never do anything, because I couldn't STAND hearing people say s&*t about me when I wasn't the one doing anything wrong.

I really DO hope these guys I'm talking about here, who I worked with and pushed me up against a desk when I was trying to get my work done, NEVER run for president.

Dawn