Unmotivated 12 Year Old Boy

Updated on September 12, 2008
L.R. asks from Saint Peters, MO
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I have a 12 year old son, only child for 10 years, well behaved, always around adults as a young guy.
He was involved in many sports when he was littler, he was below age 8 I guess. He did karate, swimming, ice skating, baseball. He liked sports at his pace, fun, non competitive. Happy go lucky kid, not too structured, close to his dad and I , sensitive, not into big groups. He is a watcher rather than getting in the middle of a crowd.
SO that being said, since he was born premature he made the school cut off date, so he started preschool and school maybe a bit earlier than needed, but it was so good to get him out and around other children, you could tell he hung back a bit, but he did well. Starting 2 grade, his teacher thought he had a reading issue. Well we noticed that he was distracted sometimes and we thought this was making him loose his place so while he searched she thought he was stuck.
We let the school test him and they found no learning disabilities, but Brenden does best one on one, they tested him this way, he learns in a class with many, but they also thought he was ADD. I raise my kids on homeopath and when the idiot at school without meeting him first said I should put him on medication I was ready to scream. Well we started noticing him more and more not pay attention and being unmotivated, I was always asking the teacher and talking to school about helping him, well he has no learning disability, and therefore there was nothing they could do for him, I should get him evaluated for ADD. Well we talked to someone and he has signs of it, but he is not a severe ADD. The teachers would try to keep him close to their desk to keep him on track, he would daydream, or find anything to play with. He to this day can get lost in his imagination play.
So he is now in the 7th grade and here is the issue at hand
He has used us to organize and pick up his pieces , get him by. He is still unmotivated about school. He is a child that would rather teach than be the student, prove you wrong if he thinks he knows, and trust me he thinks he knows a lot more than me. Its funny though he is not trying to prove me or his dad wrong about failing in school.
He is excited about HIS things in life, a movie, a book, a game, a friend, a place.....
School is a structure someone else made up and I think he really hates it so he tunes it out, no matter how many motivational talks, threats, groundings, charts, ideas, take all games away, whatever it is, we feel we have tried it.
His school day is now that he checks in with his counselor at school she has him show his homework to know he brought it to school, he has a planner he writes in for every class the teacher signs off on it, he checks out the way he checked in to be sure he has homework to bring home, well he lies about things now, that imagination has turned into lying, say what I want them to know attitude I guess, I dont get it.
So I make him write, he hates to write, 100 times, I will not lie to mom and dad.
What does he do, lies with in a week. So he had to write an essay about why his math class is important, the grade in the class is what he lied about and write 125 times I will not lie, next time I told him he will wear a sign about lying and stand at the end of the street with it on.
I kid you not
he is so loveable, wants one more hug before bed kind of kid. Great to his 2 year old brother, loves him to pieces, but he has some habits forming and school habits that have been there. I am not sure what to do at this point.
My husband says to let him fail, let him feel it, we have pulled him through too much.
I cant bear to see him fail, so I push him forward, always giving a talk, sometimes they are not nice, long winded, mom talks. I was without support as a child growing up so I have to talk it out with him, most answers from him are "I don't know". How can you know "why" to do good in school and then not do it, and not know why you cant or wont do it? I just want so much for him and he is being lazy in his life. When you ask for help, if he doesn't want to do it, he walks slow, and acts depressed. If he wants to do it, he is fine. This honestly I get it, but how to get the point about school across, he is smart, when you talk to him or ask questions about school he can answer fast, he knows it. He can also do homework and not bother to turn it in, so its an F!,why NOT turn it in? Or hide it so you don't have to do it, okay, try it once, get caught mom says, dad says why its important, all that parent talking and then do it again...???
So I am just curious as to if anyone out there has had a similar situation and did they find a motivation for their child.
He wants to be home school, that is alot to take on with a 2 year old running around.
I get the bullheadedness, that can be good in some situations, I don't want to change who he is, I just want to see him put a little effort in to school and some other things.I want him to understand what is going on with himself.
I even offered a confessional area where he could tape himself talking out what is going on in his day to day life, he thought it was too much work......
anyway I have so much more to say, that we could say But I feel like its trying to drag a horse to water when he is not thirsty. We have tried so much. We have been able to help when he is overly sensitive with supplements and homeopath remedies, but the motivation, what cure is there for that?
I have asked the school for a referral to a motivational counselor, I am waiting to hear back from them.....

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I so appreciate all the responses some of you I have personally messaged back.
Brenden has a few coping skills I have put in place, he likes the ideas, and his teachers are willing to support them to see what takes place
they are allowing some late papers since he does have them done just didnt bother to turn in, I have asked that they make eye contact wtih him when requesting homework, seems the distractions in class are keeping him from knowing what is going on at times.
I am back to checking all homework to be sure it is done completely and we placed a homework designated folder in his binder keeper and stapled them all together, so he can enter class and rip off what goes to that class and the others are not to get lost, if he turns them all in, the teacher can pass them along.
He has an appointment on Monday to see what a counselor feels with how he is doing.
I had mentioned to one mom,
Brenden is 12, but this is not a new issue, his behavior is wonderful, personality is wonderful, its his effort to do work completely.
It may be the ADD part, or something else. I do hope to find out if this person thinks he has ADD, and if it is just a personality, or a laziness thing.
Brenden likes the support, and he likes attention, so it could be a bit of that too, there is so much history to this its hard to tell it all here.
A long road that I am willing to walk to see Brenden through.
Thanks again for you comments , they are appreciated..
L.

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S.G.

answers from St. Louis on

There is so much I want to commment on and I dont know where to start. You sound like you have one amazing kid and I am so glad that you can see those parts that are out standing. After reading your message I sat here thinking about myself and who I am, because the person you described was me at that age.

Class room instruction is a cookie cutter life style. When you leave school and graduate you enter a world that is anything but cookie cutter. Some kids conform easily to what is expected, other kids are so individualistic that the issue is not about conforming but about the ideas bouncing around in his head.

I could do homework and know that it was good, and then forget to turn it in and fail. I would day dream during an assignment and be shocked when everyone in class was finished. I just was not into the things that were being taught. Yet, I held a B average without even trying. I was watched closely by my teachers to make sure the home work got handed in, until I hit junior high. Things changed and much more was expected out of me. I also found that the things I was interested in, were becoming more and more important to me and school was becoming less and less.

I remember telling my mother that I wish there was a way to go to school and learn, but stay home and do it, so I could study the important things in life. I was talking about home schooling and did not even know that it existed at the time.

Your son seems to know what he needs and he is asking you to help him with it. Many families home school with young children, I did it. Please, do not take this message as a plug for home schooling, every family is different and you have to want to do it.

Back to your son and his creative way of thinking. Creative at this age is sometimes seen as distractions getting in the way of what the adults want you to do. Yes, he has obligations but those obligations can be tailored to meet his creative side. Writing an essay about pollenation may not float his boat, but writing an essay about the way a bee stays air born may. The point is the lesson at hand and creative people do not take in information and regurgitate it back. They think about it, roll it around in their heads for hours, days, even weeks. He gets excited about things because to him they are important, listen closely to what it is that he is excited about. you may find that it is not the actual game itself but a component. He wants to learn, you have described a learner, he is learning. He is not returning the learning to the adults in his life the way they would like it, that does not mean the process is not happening. Failure is not happening, failure to achieve a certain grade is happening. To teach a creative child is a challenge, but ohhhh so rewarding.

I wish someone would have taken the time to understand who I was at that age. I wish they would have seen that I was intelligent, thoughtful, and had dreams that went beyond getting a grade.

I dropped out of school at 16, and spent several years trying to understand why I was such a failure. One day a very wise man told me, you are only a failure if you stop being who you are. Wow, how profound, he saw me, he saw who I was and he knew I was much more than anyone had ever seen before. He told me that the world was mine, go and get it.

I am now an interior decorator. I have belonged to many business organizations and am well respected within the community. I have sat on the board of directors of one national organization and one local. I am a passionate artistic photographer and I am in the process of writing a book. No one from my school would have guessed, no one saw me for who I really was.

You can see your son, I am begging you, do not let him die inside because he is not cut from the slice of life that the rest of the world is. He is not failing, he is only failing to meet the expectations around him, but he is succeeding in being the person that he truly is.

Home schooling is an option, you might want to consider it. I have raised one like me through home schooling, and 2 that would have done fine in the school setting. The one like me, would have been labled a failure in a regular school setting. In fact he was, he is my oldest and I pulled him out in 5th grade. He was "failing", he successfully became who he is and we are so proud of him. He is creative and motivated, finding life interesting in a way that most of us would not. He is happy, though, and I have never regretted allowing his creativity lead the way.

See your son through eyes of love, listen to what he is saying, not what you think he is saying. You will begin to see a person who is successful beyond your imagination.

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S.P.

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He sounds like a great kid. Remember too he is getting to become a teenager. I have found boys mature much slower than girls. Take it from a mom of 3 - 2 boys and 1 girl.

My oldest has ADD, it can be a frustrating situation. I done a lot of soul search and reading alot of material about it. I truly think a major issue is allergies. Especially from the food we eat everyday. So many people are unaware of food allergies, milk, eggs, cheeses, nuts, wheat, even carrots because they are grown in the ground-(mold issues) especially uncooked. Wasn't aware of such a thing at the time.

Possibly try to cut all those things out of his diet and leave them out of 6 to 8 weeks. Reintroduce them gradually and see if there is a improvement with his attention. I hope this is helpful. I totally understand regarding medication, but you also don't want to jepordize his self-esteem either. We made the decision to put him on medicine years ago. It does affect their creative nature and inhibits their personality.

He is an adult now, not using medicine currently, but he stills has issues that make him very unorganized and has trouble setting goals and achieving them, but he has a great personality and is a great person.

It is such a personal choice regarding medication, and I truly suggest - looking into food allergies before you need to resort to that. Best wishes and good luck.

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R.K.

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L. - Obviously you've done all the right things as a mother, and you should be applauded. There is something disturbing your son that he may not even be aware of. The next step is counseling. I highly recommend going Lutheran Family Services - they have helped us quite a bit. They will get you a counselor who fits your son's needs, and will talk to him both alone and with you. Our counselor was also available to call when needed and I did - how do I handle this one??? So, it really great to have "back up" when your parenting skills and knowledge are seriously challenged. My niece, who has a lot of problems, fought going to counseling but I made her. After a few weeks, she liked going, but always pretended I was making her, so I let her think that! Good luck!

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G.B.

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Hi L. = It sounds like you are working very hard at making him successful. Unfortunately your son is not working hard. I agree with your husband, your son is the one who needs to want to succeed. If your son is truly ADD he has to work twice as hard as anyone else, to do half as much. I dont care what any book says - We cannot give our children Self Esteem. He will find his own self esteem as HE achieves things himself. Right now helpless is working for him. He does not have to do anything but keep everyone else busy doing his work.
For your sons sake try the ADD medication. If he were diabetic, lyou would not withhold insulin. Why do we as parents think of ADD as an optional condition, that enough hard work can cure. This is a neurological condition that neither your son or you can will away. Maybe the helpl he needs at this point is for you to educate yourself on ADD. Of course I can not think of the mans name who has several booksand videos on what it feels like to live with ADD. Email me personally, and I will find this for you. Step out of denial. Treat his condition with proven medical medication.
I too would like for my diabetes, and thyroid condition to be treatable by supplements, but I found out the hard way, that my body needs these medications. I am rambling, but love him enough to let him develop his own maturity, and self respect.
Sincerely, G.

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K.C.

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Something that you said, made me wonder if your son is a highly functional autistic child. I can't remember what it was other than the going into his own world and getting lost. I may be completely off base as I don't know alot about autism, but I know that there are varying degrees of it.

Also, he sounds VERY similar to my nephew. He was diagnosed with ADD two or three years ago. They also found that he had something going on his brain where the right side worked properly and the left side worked properly, but when they were supposed to work together, they didn't. We never noticed this as it is not really a noticeable thing. I can't really describe it and I don't know what is called. Well once we figured this all out and they started working with him, he is excelling at school and he has changed on a personal level as well. Unfortunately, he does have to be on some medication for the ADD and you can tell when he misses taking it too. I do know that there are other options to working with it. It is a matter of finding the right doctor to help you with it. There is something behind the being unmotivated. Likely it isn't unmotivation at all, it is a cover. Part of it now, is he is in those years where differences are bad news and he is beginning to act out. All I can say is keep trying to find out what it is. Keep trying until someone listens.

Good Luck!

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