Saying Thank You

Updated on September 13, 2010
N.S. asks from Buffalo Grove, IL
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I'm always asking about getting manners in here, guess I just seem to be failing at that!

Stepdaughter is 9, table manners are finally improving. What they are like when I'm not around, I don't know but she is taking smaller bites and not chewing with her mouth open. I don't correct her manners during dinner now (to preserve "family" atmosphere per my husband) but she gets a gentle reminder before dinner. I only worry about those two manners at the table, start small, you know?

Now I want to work on saying "thank you." My SD does not say "thank you" unless prompted. I say thank you, and my husband does so I don't know why she doesn't. Also, if you give her a compliment she will say "uh huh" or "I know." So if I say "wow, you did really great at setting the table" she will say "uh huh." That is so embarrassing when she does it to other people! Others have told her she is pretty and she says "uh huh."

Now if she does not say "thank you" to me, whatever I did or got for her gets automatically revoked. I tell her that if she is not thankful then she doesn't receive anything. However, I feel that this approach may be creating a rebellion since it isn't working. Today she was at a birthday party and she was given a goodie bag. Every other child said "thank you" to the birthday girl when she passed out the goodie bags except my stepdaughter. When we were leaving my husband and I thanked the birthday girl and her parents and my stepdaughter watched us do it and said nothing until we nudged her.

"Thank you" is something that I think should also be felt, not just said because we are robots. How can I do this successfully? I'm not only embarrassed to nudge her for thanks at age 9, but I really do feel like she must not appreciate what I do. I've explained this to her but she still doesn't get it. She is extremely self-centered and she it not entirely to blame for this (for a child can't raise themselves to be that way) but the question is, how do I fix that? Especially when she does not say "thank you" to other people.

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C.C.

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Just be consistent. I expect simple manners with my children..nothing crazy. Thank you, please,no thank you. They are not allowed to say YUCK especially if are at at someone house and they serve something my kids don't like. My kids are great at remembering their manners.
Also they are NOT allowed to go over someones house with the exception their grandparents and say I'M HUNGRY or thirsty. They are always politely allowed to ask for water. Now if food is offered they can make their own decsion.
When she does remember her manners. Let her know she did good. Don't go on about it but do acknowledge her.
Also 9 yrs is not too late but if it might take longer if this is a practices she is just learning.

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M.P.

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I suggest that you read the book, How to Talk so Kids Will Listen and Listen so Kids Will Talk by Adelle Faber and Elaine Mazlish. How we word things makes a big difference in how other people hear them. I think you may be right that she is rebelling. I suggest you can change how she feels by changing how you talk and perhaps more importantly how you listen to her.
We usually start nudging our child into saying thank you while they're still a toddler. Sounds like that didn't happen with her. It's not too late to nudge her now. I suggest that saying thank you is a learned social skill and should not be taught thru punishment which is what taking away is. Taking something away creates anger instead of a sense of thankfulness which you're trying to teach her.

I adopted my foster daughter who came to live with me when she was barely 7. Her caseworker told me that I needed to begin with her at what age in maturity she was. In many ways she was still a preschooler. She was taught manners. But missed out on learning a sense of security. She played the game that toddlers love of hiding and wanting me to find her. She scared me at times by doing this outside or at a store. When I told her I was frightened she didn't seem to understand. I didn't understand why she was doing this and her counselor said I should refuse to play the game. I tried but was unhappy doing so. My foster daughter continued to hide and I continued to look for her in a grumpy way.

Now I have grandchildren and my granddaughter started this game when she was 3 or 4. She was giggling while doing it and it was always easy to find her. I felt relaxed and enjoyed the game. She's now 10 and still plays "where's Monet." She makes it easy for me to find her. The mood of the game with my granddaughter is altogether different than it was with my daughter.

If I'd had experience with this behavior before having my 7yo foster daughter play it, I would have handled it altogether differently. I would laugh and search and in good humor say that she's so important to me that I get scared sometimes and then worked out some boundaries for playing the game. As it was, the game was more of a power struggle than a game. Because I didn't know better, I remained serious and focused on ending the game instead of having fun and controlling the game.

I suggest you back off and start over. First talk with her and tell her you made a mistake when you decided to take things away. Then ask her how she feels about your taking things away as well as how she feels about saying thank you and why she won't do it.

I suggest that you're in a power struggle with your daughter. First, being self-centered at this age is normal. We only learn compassion for others as we emotionally mature. It sounds like your daughter is stuck emotionally and/or socially at a younger age. I don't know how old she was when she came into your life. If her early life was unpleasant and her mother didn't teach her the things you're working on now then think back to the age at which she would have ordinarily learned it and start from there. Talk with her as you would a 9 yo but only expect from her what she should have learned but didn't when she was 4 or 5. This will help you feel less frustrated and be more relaxed and playful while you teach er.

When you tell her that you believe she doesn't appreciate what you're doing for her, you're also in a minor way focused on yourself instead of on her. This is a small piece of being self-centered. Don't get me wrong. I've often felt that way and expressed that feeling to those in my family. It never changed anything.

I suggest you focus on her and how she feels as a way of modeling compassion. Yes, you can mention that you feel unappreciated but the focus needs to be on her and why she is acting this way. Remember, she is a scared little girl who has some strong feelings with which she needs help in learning how to deal with them. She has learned to manage by being defiant or passive. Those ways worked for her when she started using them. Now, you're needing to teach her and she'll learn best if you can accept her the way she is and show her compassion for having to learn them now. The book by Faber and Mazlish will help you in how to do this.

All children need to be filled up with love and a sense of self-worth before they can be concerned about anyone else. I suggest that you practice praising her often. Set up a reward system. Perhaps a sticker chart on which she gets stickers for completing chores. Be sure she spends special time with you and her father every week no matter how she's behaved. Actually, spend at least 15-20 minutes with her, doing something fun, every night. Make this a time focused on fun and not on discipline or doing things "right." Show her in words and actions that she is a special little girl and that you love her no matter how she acts.

Be sure to talk with your daughter in a calm and kind way even when asking her to do or not do something. You can be firm and kind at the same time. I'm glad that you're working on one thing at a time. I suggest that you start over with the thank you lesson. Talk with her about it. Understand and accept her feelings on it. Perhaps ask her what you can do to help her be polite. After a period of time doing nothing you could try nudging her lovingly to remind her. Tell her you accept some responsibility for her having not learned to say it. Do not react if she doesn't say thank you. Don't mention that she didn't. Praise her when you're alone for saying thank you when she does say it.

My grandson was angry when it was bedtime and said he wasn't going to put on his pj's. At first I was firm and insisted which only increased his rebellion. When I realized that this was escalating into a power struggle I said I was going to brush my teeth and hoped that he would have his pjs on when I got back. When I got back he said he was sorry and the something that sounded like, "you started it." He has difficulty with speech and so I asked what he'd said. He stuttered around a bit and then said, "we in this together?" I chuckled because I was feeling we were definitely in this together and I didn't know, yet, what my next move would be. I then said that yes, we are in this together. He smiled big, said a definite "sorry" and gave me a hug. Everything went smoothly after that.

When I'm tired, especially, I find that I become firm and inflexible as I say, you do this, now. I can even feel myself as being outside the relationship, focusing on making something happen without regard to the child's state of mind. I'm the grown up. You're the kid. Do as I say. in a somewhat cold voice. I just wanted him to get in bed so I could go to sleep. When he's tired, that does not work. I'm so proud of him for being able to bring me back into the relationship while doing what I'd told him to do.

After that I read him a story. Perhaps if I'd read him the story before I told him to put on his pjs or if I'd asked him instead of telling him, I would have had more success. I just try different things and sometimes they work and sometimes not. This incident was a big "a ha" experience for me.

When a toddler, preschooler first starts to say thank you, it's rote. With time they learn to mean it. Your daughter is just learning. Rote first. Meaning next.

Also, remember she is a child of divorce. She has a whole lot of anger built up inside her. Counseling would help all of you in learning how to relate with each other in this environment that is certainly much different than the one she had up until now.

I would like to add that perhaps you need to spend more time developing a relationship with her that is based on trust before you try tackling the more superficial aspects of life such as manners. I don't know how long she's lived with you or even if she does live with you. That will make a difference. I've been thinking she lives with you. If she doesn't some of my answers would be different.

Are the two of you able to cuddle together, sing songs, read stories, and in general have fun? Developing that kind of relationship takes time and is of the highest priority. My foster daughter wouldn't let me hug her or be physically close to her until she was an adult. That was difficult. But we did learn how to have fun. I always read to her and we had some serious conversations at bed time and while in the car. She did not respond well to a serious conversation at any other time.

Perhaps taking a parenting class for foster parents might help you if your daughter is as much different from the average child as it sounds.

While a foster parent I took a workshop from Foster Cline. He and a colleague wrote several books. I think the first one is Parenting with Love and Logic. I highly recommend reading it. Children with a rough beginning for whatever reason do have a different outlook on life and may need different sorts of parenting than a child who began life in a warm, loving and secure home. These skills also work very well with typical children.

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M.L.

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It sounds like a bit of a power struggle to me. She's decided she's not going to say those two words unless you make her. She's using "uh huh" as a substitute, which is at least a step in the right direction.

How does your teaching sound to her? Is she digging her heels in over what she perceives as nagging? Does she think that when you're telling her to improve her manners, you're saying she's not good enough for you as a person? Is she insecure about your love for her?

Keep on modeling the right behavior. Any time she does anything you can thank her for, do it aloud, and leave it at that. Don't lecture, but do let her know in a friendly way that you really DO appreciate what she did. "Thanks for clearing the table, Bonnie. It really saved me time."

Don't let embarrassment get the best of you! It's counterproductive. If she doesn't do better than "uh huh" when you all are in public, and you feel you must cover for her, just say, "We're still working on 'thank you,' with a smile. (Frankly, she is doing better than some children - and some adults - do!)

Now that I think about it, if all she does right now is "uh huh," you could make it your private goal (but don't tell her this!) to see "uh huh" with a smile. You can model that, too. Maybe smaller steps are in order for the moment.

But be patient and stay friendly! Don't worry about what others may think of you or your daughter. Time is an essential part of this sort of teaching, because there's a lot more involved in unlearning a behavior and replacing it than in learning a good one to begin with.

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D.P.

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N.S. From all of the posts about your stepdaughter, it's really hard to find anything good that you have to say about her or her behavior.
Seriously, I'm not trying to be harsh here but I think you're a little "over the top" with your expectations as a stepmother. I think I'd work on developing a bond with her and then she might be more likely to model good, kind, compassionate behavior. This post has a bit of a Svengali air about it.
Good luck!

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R.J.

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Fake it till you make it...

I agree, get her in the habit of saying please and thank you every single time anyone does ANYTHING for her, and the mental shift will begin.

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R.D.

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Insist she says it, even though she may not feel it. She must say it until she believes it. Every time. Get her dad on board. Have him prompt her also so you don't always look like the 'bad guy' or evil step-monster. :) If she MUST say it all the time at home, hopefully it will become automatic.

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S.B.

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check with your local librarian - there used to be a series of books about teaching kids about manners. Maybe the librarian can suggest something appropriate for you to read with her or she can read herself and then you can discuss it.

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M.N.

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First focus on getting the thank you to come out of her mouth. You don't have to force her or punish her, just tell her- that is how you respond to compliments or gifts. I would ask her if she is forgetting something.

In terms of appreciation, talk about it with her- say wow that was really thoughtful of so and so, they really went out of their way for you. I was a very un-appreciative child and didn't realize it until I was an adult. Sorry.

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M.H.

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I would probably prompt her to say thank you in social situations, or say it for her. It wouldn't hurt to ask her questions about the event to see if she had a good time, maybe that will help her see that she is thankful for being included, and come around to saying the words.
I read one or two of your other posts. It sounds like you are trying to tackle several things, and it is great that you are making an effort.
I just wanted to say that she is 9, and surely has a range of emotions over her situation, it could be better or worse, but she surely has a lot of feelings about it all. My sisters were around that age when they became children of a divorce, and as they got older and understood more, their feelings grew.
So, I would agree with others here, and focus on a relationship with her. Maybe she is simply acting out for attention, remember that saying "any attention bad or good is still attention".
If she doesn't have friends, I wouldn't focus on it too much at once. Maybe take the extra time she is home to teach her how to cook, or do some small hobbies that she is interested in, find things that she can do, and you can help or do as well. Maybe her behavior is a security thing. I wouldn't want to spoil her by any means, but also not want to damage her self confidence. Maybe one of your activities could be a weekly ritual that will help her trust you more, as well.
Is she in any sports, gymnastics, or group activities? She would meet people this way, and you would be there parts of the time to see her behavior. Theoretically, the adult leader would be like a neutral party, and responsible to keep all kids behaving at a reasonable level.
And lastly, maybe try humor, or reverse psychology at home... I know your trying to be serious with her, but maybe you need a different approach. Don't be mocking though.

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R.M.

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I absolutely agree with every word that Marda wrote ( I normally do agree with her...she is great!!!)....most importantly..you need to concentrate on forming a real loving relationship with this little girl before you become the disciplinarian. I looked back at some of your other posts and it looks to me like you and your husband are the primary custodians of your stepdaughter,so you have a real NEED to have a relationship with her, you can'[t just be the disciplinarian, you also need to be the one who listens to her, who laughs and cries with her...don't get too hung up on the "niceities" that you feel like are missing from her life....but MODEL for her the type of behavior you would like to see and she will pick up on it. Children are little sponges...they absorb what they are around. Give it time...relax...enjoy her...you will be so glad that you did !!

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S.S.

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You said you are the step-mother so I think that's the first clue if mom is still around and alive. You are very right when you said you believe she is rebelling to being told to say thank you. Expect this for awhile if you are a recent step mother. If you have been around for years she will be anticipating your guidance, If you to do an experiment and don't say anything for awhile and see what happens. If you want to do something else, if she wants to go somewhere (like the b-day party) then give her the consequences and stick to them. If you don't say thank you then we will not do such and such. But I have a hunch that your insight is right about her reaction. She simply does not want to be told what to do. You can continue to be polite, let her deal with natural consequences impolite people live through: such as not being invited to the party in the first place. And don't bring her to them anymore.

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V.W.

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Being the Step mom, I think I would back off of the issue at home some. Just accept the "uh huh" as her acknowledgement - for now. BUT, I would take a moment and explain to her that she needs to be conscious of how she treats other people. That saying "thank you" to a host is just plain good manners. And that if she fails to make common courtesy part of how she relates/associates with other people that it can (and one day WILL) affect her relationships - not just at home, but everywhere. With her friends. With their parents. With employers and teachers as well (which won't mean much to her right now... but her friends will). If she cannot extend the common courtesy of saying thank you to friends for nice gestures, then those gestures might stop; not because you disallow her to go to parties, but b/c her friends might stop inviting her!
Let her sort out what sort of friend she wants to be and what kind of person. Just don't push it at home. For now. Once she sees that a) it doesn't get under your skin, and b) that it only hurts HER, then she might come around.

It is one thing to teach your child at a young age (with mine it was before they could talk, using sign language) to say "thank you"... but something else entirely when you are not the natural parent coming in later on when there are other issues at play.

Blessings.

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D.B.

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I agree with some others, you need to be consistant, but nice about wanting manners to be used. I have taught my girls since they were old enough to talk to say please and thank you. Does it happen, on it's own, ALL of the time? No. Do I have to remind them sometimes? Yes. But, do they more often then not, use it towards others, on their own, when they should? Yes. I also teach preschool and am currently working on my 3 year olds to use their manners. The one thing that works best is positive reinforcement. When one child says please, I in return say "thank you for using your manners". It works great. Every child then wants to say please or thank you so that I will say "thank you for using your manners to them". I agree with some others as well that you may need to try a more loving approach and really listen to yourself when you talk to her. If you are trying to get her to "conform" to the way you want her to behave, it will just backfire at this age. Maybe it's time to start having some fun with each other, and really getting to know her as an individual person. Everything else will fall in to place once a good, loving, base has been established. Good luck.

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