Sassy 5 Yr Old

Updated on March 09, 2010
B.B. asks from Brunswick, ME
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My five yr daughter has picked up some very nasty habits. She is repeating the way I talk to her. "You do that one more time you're going in the corner" ect.. So, my first reaction to that was to tell her not to talk to me like that. So guess what she says to me now when I have to get firm with her. Now I tell her that she does not talk to Mommy and Daddy like that. That she needs to follow the rules, and basically I am specifically detailed in my corrections towards her. She still talks back and I've chosen to not exacerbate it by getting madder. I try to ignore it unless it's over the top and needs to be addressed by a time out in the corner. She does have mild autism so sometimes it's hard to tell whether it's a sensory issue or a discipline issue.Sometimes she'll pick up on sentences and repeat them as a trained response for a period of time but I think this is typical five yr old stuff. Especially since she only says these things when she's breaking some rule or just generally pushing my tolerance limit of "constant annoying behaviors". Ya know? Not fully breaking the rule but pushing the limit on several all at once? Anyway, I have to explain things to her in a more detailed way and make sure she understands exactly what I'm saying, and I think she knows exactly what I'm saying and is just being sassy.
So Moms, is there anything else I can do besides being more specific and also trying not to add fuel to the rebellion by getting angry? Is this just another lovely phase?

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Thank you everyone, and a special thanks to Katie R and Peg M for reminding me about autistic childrens' reaction to tone and noise. I'm glad I posted this because It was good to be reminded of those things.We've been very invovled in her recovery/therapy since she was diagnosed at three. Things have been super stressful here with my husband having to go out of the state to find work and we just moved here and I know no one. So, I'm here with my two kids 5yrs and 1yr and it can really get the best of me sometimes. So, thanks for the reality check ladies. I am using softer tones now, and making it a silly thing when she does repeat things back to me, but I realized she only does it when I'm getting frustrated with her so I've toned that down. I also have tacked on "sweetie" or "honey" at the end of my requests and she responds to it. I'll be sure to keep it up ! Thanks again!

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E.K.

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Hi B.,
I know having a child with Autism can be challenging. I have a niece and nephew that are both on the spectrum. If you have any therapists you can ask, you may want to approach the topic because it may depend on the severity of her autism. It sounds to me like she definitely understands what she's doing is not OK. I say, no more warnings, when she's fresh just calmly give her the consequence. All kids need boundaries and actually feel safer when they know they can and cannot do. Otherwise it will be a constant battle of "I can do this, but only this much, what if I do this?" Again, you may want to consult a therapist for kids on the spectrum but just know that you are doing a great job and she is a very lucky girl!
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K.R.

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You say she's autistic, and that makes a huge difference in where it's coming from. No doubt she can still be sassy, but she may not be able to learn to control herself like another child might after enough timeouts. My 11 yr old still occasionally gives me grief when I ask her to do something she doesn't want to do. But instead of repeating what I've said (though she has done that in the past), what she does is repeat lines picked up from books or movies. She has one for each situation, and I admit it drives me bonkers.

For her, I finally realized, it's some kind of deep-seated need to have the last word. Don't know if that's her way of completing the conversation or what, but since I've let it go when she says these things and don't challenge her, everything's been much better. At first, sometimes, she would get kind of mad when I wouldn't respond and would repeat the phrase again, because she has a script that we're supposed to stick to, and I wasn't sticking to it. Still does that sometimes, though not nearly as often. But mostly, it ends there as long as I let her have the last word. I mean, I don't care as long as she actually brushes her teeth or whatever! And the behavior has diminished with time. Now she does many things she used to complain about without a word back.

Also, with autistic kids, if they're doing a behavior you don't like, the best thing is to totally ignore it (as long as it's not causing any harm, of course!). They pick up real quick what their parents/caregivers don't like, and give it right back when you say something to them that they don't want to hear. The only way to break that is to not let them know it drives you batty. Very difficult, I know, and I wasn't always able to stick to it, but worth a try -- when we got good at ignoring her outbursts, they diminished. This is a hugely important step in modifying her behavior.

I agree with the person who said you need to speak to her with care -- don't know if this might be the situation with your daughter, but my daughter is extremely sensitive to tone of a person's voice, and often this will be what sets her off, regardless of the actual words said. It's hard for her to figure out nobody's mad because she can't grasp cues like other kids can.

We've had to make sure to use a cheery tone with her, and we usually end "requests" with "sweetie" or something like it. And then we give lots of thanks when she does something the way it should be done -- these encourage her tremendously and help her realize (I think) that we're not ordering her to do these things because she's being punished (which I think is how she feels when I tell her it's time to clean her room, or brush her teeth, or get up for school, etc).

You'd be surprised how far just a slight tone of voice change can go. We were never mean or yelling before, but it's hard to sound happy when you're annoyed with your kids for not listening. It's a big challenge, but worth it for the results! We have a lot less drama now. And everybody in the house talks to everyone else a lot nicer, which can't hurt. :)

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P.M.

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As you have observed, "she is repeating the way [you] talk to her." That's what kids do, and especially in the case of some autistic kids, they will mimic the exact tone of voice that they heard. It's not "sassiness" so much as how they are programmed to learn.

So, since she mimics you, make the most of it. Talk to her in a gentle, reasonable, kind voice. Use the tone you want to hear from her. Make your requests politely, using please and thank you. This is what your daughter needs, because autistic children do not pick up on the nuances of emotion or meaning in other people's voices or facial expressions.

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C.G.

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hahaha...so good to hear someone else going through similar issues. anyway, i too have a "sassy" daughter. but it's not directed at me most times. it's more towards her friends. she'll be 5 in august and just today her little friend whom i babysit for said "you know what" (kinda a phase he's going through and says it often) so i'm listening to him repeating this to her and she turns to him and say's "listen...i don't want to hear the "you know what's anymore!" i almost fell over laughing, because truthfully, she's probably learned it from me somewhere along the line. but there are many times where she over steps a boundary with how she speaks to her friends. i continue to be consistent with letting her know it's not appropriate. i guess that's all we can do. kids need consistency. i definately get down on her level and speak to her calmly before it comes to any yelling. it seems to help. if she's smart enough to pick up your phrases, then she's smart enough to understand a short explanation as to why it's not right that she speaks like that. sounds like we both have our work cut out for us though! good luck and pass any helpful hints to me!

D.B.

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Just to give you a little laugh - my friend got tired of her child "calling her" on her language & phrasing. So she told him that "Mommy has cooking words and Daddy has driving words. When you can cook or drive on your own, you can use those words."

I guess you have to be really careful of the words you use. You can also ignore her and not engage in debate, since she seems to be the type to repeat it. It sounds like you do this sometimes since you say you have chosen not to exacerbate it. The other thing is to make each punishment/consequence worse each time she back talks again.

The sensory/autism issue is another one - a lot of people have good luck with nutritional supplements. I have a friend whose son has Sensory Integration issues, and he's much better now. Numerous friends with autistic kids all over the spectrum. Happy to share their success if you want.

Good luck.

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K.M.

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before the situation gets emotional sometimes making the reprimand sound like a joke works for my 4 year old. In a joking tone I'll say "you don't talk to your Mommy like that silly!" - it sound ridiculous but for some reason it works.

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A.R.

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You said, "she is repeating the way I talk to her". My suggestion is try talking to her in a different way. We all know kids repeat every thing they hear so instead, when she acts out, why don't you try asking her why she is acting out. It could be environmental. Perhaps there is something that is bothering her. You said she has autism. I am no expert but I do know that a lot of times kids can become disturbed when they have sensory overload. Do a quick scan of her surroundings to see, is the tv on (that could be noise to her and irritating), is the radio on loudly, (could you change it instead to some soft spa-type of music), are there flourescent lights on? These are just some suggestions to try to calm the both of you. Also, I have tried a light, natural lavendar spray in my daughter's room and it relaxes both of us. Deep breaths. Good luck.

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J.M.

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My daughter just turned five and seems to be the same way. She is very sassy and dramatic. She repeats everything I say and tries to be bossy. Everytime she does I explain to her that she is the child and I am the adult and she does not need to talk back. If I ask her something mommy expects her to do it without questioning or back talking. I think this is a phase and you shouldn't be alarmed. I do from time to time send her to the corner and then ask her why she went to the corner and explain it to her again. She has become more controlled but still has a spurt from time to time. Good luck and I am sure more mommys will respond. I sometimes overlook it because sometimes I think it is for attention. But either way nip it quickly before it gets out of control and then you are not in control when she is older. Good luck

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