Need Sleep Help Please - 2 1/2 Yr. Old and 4 1/2 Yr Old (Or Input on Either One

Updated on August 20, 2010
K.M. asks from Plano, TX
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My 2.5 year old son used his bottle as a "pacifier" and went to sleep with it for nap & night with it full of water for probably over a year. We tried to decrease the water over time and he just woke up screaming for more. We also tried to snip the nipple slowly with no luck. It really began interfering with his speech, so we finally went cold turkey a month ago and haven't slept since! We thought he would cry it out for a week or so and stop, but he didn't and we couldn't take the cry it out method and weren't consistent with it. He lays awake for hours and will scream and kick the door unless we stay in there until he's asleep. He usually only fusses for a bit at nap time, but doesn't sleep very long at all. When he wakes up in the middle of the night and can't go back to sleep without the bottle, he screams until we come. He wakes up his 4 yr old brother next door also. He is very, very stubborn and can scream for hours at the top of his lungs. We've "pushed" snuggling with his comfort items- blanket, lovie, etc. We put in nightlights and he just took them out and took them apart. He was climbing out of his crib, so we took the rail off and finally had to put a lock on the door because he refused to stay in his room. We tried to sit with him while we read by flashlight and work our way out of the room, by moving farther and farther away from him but he just seems to be kept awake by us in there and tosses and turns, sits up to watch us and almost seems to be playing a waiting game with us. We tried the gradual retreat method from supernanny and I patted until my arm was numb, then just kept my hand on him.. 2 hours later after i fell asleep, he was wide awake and still playing with his feet. I know he is so sleep deprived now, he has to be tired. I realize that we brought this on ourselves by letting him keep the bottle for so long, but please don't respond with criticism. My heart breaks that he is so miserable and unable to put himself to sleep, but we have to teach him this very important skill before he's much older and we don't know what to do next.

Meanwhile, our 4.5 yr old has a habit of waking up in the middle of the night and crying until we come. He has a lot of anxiety in everyday life as well. My husband usually gets up and lays on the floor beside him. until they both go back to sleep. I think we need to find a solution for this and stop doing that. If I get up, I get frustrated and bring him to our bed just so I can get some sleep (the 5 month old baby is still waking up to be fed at night too), which I know is a bad habit and hard to break once they know you allowed it once. Since he's moved to a big boy bed he now throws a crying and screaming fit when we leave his room after putting him to bed also. He does have several nightlights and lots of stuffed animals and lovies that he cuddles with. When he cries he wakes up the 2 1/2 year old next door, if he's sleeping, so we sort of feel like we're stuck going to tend to him.

We are out of ideas and need some sleep. Please help us figure out how to solve these issues if you have any insight or suggestions.
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L.C.

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Crazy as this sounds, what if they slept together. If they both have separation anxiety and they both need someone with them to fall asleep then maybe they could rely on each other. My older boys were both the same age difference as yours and they both seemed to sleep more peacefully when they were together. Not only did they go down easier because they weren't alone, but they would sleep better at night because they would wake up and weren't alone.

Another thing you might consider is switching up locations where they sleep. We would start our kids out in the living room on the sofa, one at one end and one at the other. Or we would let them have a pallet on the floor. They seemed to fight it less when there was less of a production. Whatever got them to lay down peacefully. We put them in their jammies and just laid them down. Baths waited until morning or early afternoon. We had to eventually pick our battles and where they slept became significantly less important than how well they sleep.

Hope this helps,

L.

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D.B.

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C.M.

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I was going to suggest having them try to sleep together (which other people have suggested). If you aren't willing (or have the space) to let them sleep with you, that is what I would do! As far as your 2.5 year old, it sounds like 'getting' him to sleep is the problem. I would lay with him, rock him, let him lay in your bed, etc whatever it takes to GET him to sleep but let them both know that they can only sleep in each other's rooms so if/when they wake up, you will let them cuddle with the other brother (this may also wake up the other brother) so maybe letting them choose one room to sleep in and one room to play in for awhile may work better.

Good luck!

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M.P.

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My 4 1/2 and 2 1/2 year old sleep together. They both need lots of cuddles and we are happy to oblige. They go to sleep with either my husband and I and my 2 yr old nurses to sleep (so no advice on the bottles) and then most nights stay asleep in their bed but some nights end up in ours or one of us goes in their room. I suppose it would be a struggle and a fight if we refused to do all these comforting things that they love and are used to but why fight it? I've never heard of a teenager that likes to cuddle with their mommy or daddy at night :) Don't make your lives harder than they need to be and just give them what they need so you can get some sleep.

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K.A.

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Did you let him throw his bottle away because it was "broke"? All three of my children had a pacifier until the day they turned 2. I began telling them 3 months in advance that their pacifier was going to brake when they had their birthday. The night before their birthday, I cut all the pacifiers except the one they were sleeping with from tip to the shield down the nipple so that when they sucked it, it would pinch their tongue. In the morning as soon as they woke I sneakally swapped pacifiers and cut that one too. I offered them a pacifier. Something I did not normally do, but I wanted the discovery to happen in morning rather than at nap or bedtime to give plenty of time to think about it. They would put it in their mouth and try to suck and pull it out and look at it and then put it back in and pull it back out and say "Passy bok". I would respond with "Oh no, well lets throw it away" and let them actually throw it away themselves. We went through it all over again with every pacifier we had. They never asked for it again. My boys did fuss through the first nap without and through the first night without. My daughter fussed through the first week.

This may be hard to do with another baby in the house on a bottle unless the baby is using a different style bottle. You may damage an old bottle of his and let him throw it away if you have not already done so yourself.

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