Need Ideas for Discipline

Updated on January 11, 2009
A.G. asks from Brookfield, IL
3 answers

I am at a loss, and at my wits end with my six year old. The last two years with im have just worn me out. He is highly unpleasant to be around. Don't criticize...I feel awful for even saying this, but it's true. I know I have posted in the past with his hitting/kicking/slapping me issues, and although that seems to have improved over the last two years, his overall disposistion has not. He is bossy, refuses/ignores listening, hits and shoves his sister at the slightest provocation, has temper tantrums at the slightes provocations...and I mean full out two year old style tantrums. Time outs are a joke at this point, this just escalates the behaviour, and leads to him hitting me or himself in the head and face. I have tried taking things away, talking to him, even spanking, reward systems, etc. I would dare say this is something develoopmental, except he behaves very well in school, and always did in day care. I know also that obviously he is getting something from this, but for the life of me I cannot figure out why he would like all of this negative attention. He does 180's, he is calm and fine one minute, and then say his sister does something he doesn't like, he just smacks her (she is two and a half). Then he gets in trouble for hitting (I just send him to his room at this point because I really don't know what else to do). This in turn will usually enrage him for a good 15 to 20 minutes (kicking walls, throwing toys, screaming), after he is calm I ask him what happened, tell him what he could have done instead (tell a grown up, and then we could help him figure out a better way to solve problems), and wouldn't it have been a lot easier, and less frustrating to do so, which he knows, because we've had this conversation oh I don't know, about 1000 times, and hitting is an immediate removal to your room, no warnings. Say he asks to use the computer, and I tell him no, not right now, maybe later. He of course asks again, and again because he's a kid, I get that. So I'll tell him we will talk about it later, this can go into complete melt down mode (listed above). If you ask him to do something nicely he will completely ignore you. I have the three strikes your out rule. Then I have to raise my voice for him to even pay attention, and then he has a melt down. Everything is a melt down. I am so exhausted by this I just don't know what to do anymore, and it makes me fearful for when he is older. I always complement him when he does something kind, or if he makes a good choice, say on the rare occassion instead of hitting his sister he tells me or my husband what is going on. I have tried telling him that that is why he spends so much time in his room away from the family because of his bad choices, and no one like to be by someone who hitts them, or is nasty to them. That that is not how we treat one another in our family. My familiy says he's all me plus testosterone, which I guess I would agree, but I would have never hit my parents because I would have been severely punished for it. And although disrespectful at times (mostly later as a teenager when it got really bad), I never EVER hit my parents. I am sure I hit my siblings, but I also got my butt kicked if I did. I remember being sulky, but mostly that had to do with other kids at school teasing me, and mostly I was left to figure that one out on my own. My Mom gave me the usual shpeal, but if I sulked to long it was like oh well get over it. It isn't anyhting to do with school at this point, he's only in kindergarten, and his teacher said everything is fine on that end as far as she can tell, and I asked him too, and he said things were fine. I am very head strong, and I have a hell of a temper, that I have learned to control with many years of practice, and with no help from my , they just refused to deal with the temper (which I get now, it's easier), or my Mom would refuse to leave me alone when I asked to be, and then wonder why I blew my stack. Anyhow, this was very painful for me too, because I felt very alone and isolated from the family,and I want to avoid him feeling that way, as well as teach him how to deal with his bad temper from an early age to hopefully avoid this, but I just don't know how. And honestly, he really knows what buttons to push with me, because lately there are some I have not felt pushed in years, like wow I didn't know I was even capable of feeling this angry anymore. Any and all constructive advice is welcome.

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M.E.

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I think there is a real breakdown on what you are saying that your doing and his behavior. You are doing what is called "attending" which is pointing out how well he is doing when he does it and are trying to redirect him when he doesn't, but somethinkg is not working still......start watching SuperNanny. She deals with this all the time on her shows and she's right... A schedule, listed and followed by EVERYONE, RULES, listed and ENFORCED. Follow Through EVERY time (even in public) and NEVER accept behavior that puts others or himself at risk. Sounds like you need to make more changes that give more structure to what's expected and his life...I know that sounds harsh, but if you don't do all of this consistently, then you will have much bigger issues as he gets older. Praise all the good things he's doing....there is an excellent book called, Discipline the Brazelton Way...by Joshua Sparrow M.D ( a pediatrician) I think you'll find everyone says the same thing...so you need to do, stick to it and in about 2 weeks, you'll see the difference..but STICK to it, FOREVER> m

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J.S.

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I recommend the book "Scream Free Parenting." He has a website as well:

http://www.screamfree.com/

I also recommend a schedule posted on the fridge for when your son is home. That will eliminate those pesky questions and you can refer him to the schedule. Here's a sample:

3pm - come home from school and show mom school mail
3:15pm - have a snack
3:30pm - do homework
4pm - 4:30pm - computer time
4:30 - 5pm - clean up before dinner
5pm - dinner
6pm - 7pm - family time
7pm - 7:30 - pack backpack for morning, bath & get ready for bed
8pm - 8:30 - maybe tv time
8:30pm - bed time

You get the picture. Kids like to know what to expect. It's comforting to them. If the routine is going to change, let him know in advance. Or have different routines for different days. Change as needed, but not too often.

When he is calm, I would sit him down (make sure your husband is there as well) and tell him the new rules. You could post them (with pictures) as well.

Rule #1 - No hitting - EVER!
Rule #2 - We treat everyone with respect and courtesy - NO EXCEPTIONS!

Explain that now he knows the rules, there is a zero tolerance policy and he will be sent to his room for XX amount of time. Explain that he has a right to disagree with you, but he has to do so respectfully. I think that is really important. Ultimately, you and your husband make the decisions, but your children can have a voice too. They need to learn how to voice that opinion in a respectful way.

Now, the door swings both ways, A.. You and your husband need to treat your son (and daughter) with respect and courtesy too and most of all - no hitting. "I understand you're upset, honey, but you cannot talk to me that way. Go to your room now." You also need to be consistent and follow through. I know it's hard and we all get worn down, but you have to toughen up or else he'll be worse when he gets older. Nip this behavior in the bud now.

I would also take everything out of his room except his clothes and his bed. He will have to earn all his toys back by being respectful and not throwing tantrums. Develop a reward system. No hitting and 5 days without a tantrum will get him 5 toys.

The other thing I might do is enroll him in TaeKwonDo or Karate if he's not currently involved in any activity. Both disciplines involve teaching respect for persons in authority and treating yourself with respect. Did wonders for my oldest girl. She loves it and has a much better attitiude (she's 10).

Good Luck and let us know how it goes.

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K.T.

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This is definitely a difficult situation for you and it is honestly difficult to accurately assess what the exact problem might be because there are so many variables.

I've worked with children who are volatile in the home whereas in school and other social situations they appear to be fine. There are a lot of possible reasons for his behavior. I doubt he is happy with his behavior or the consequences but he gets something out of it and perhaps that is his need for control. It is also possible that he has seen disrespect in your household either by your husband towards you or perhaps he feels he has been disrespected by you and/or your husband. There are a lot of possibilities and please know that I'm not assuming anything, just throwing out situations I've come across before.

I've had to look at my own daughter who is very strong-willed. I am also very strong-willed and I have quite the temper which I too have had to learn to control over the years. I've had to take a look at my own behavior before in regards to her because she is a child and children do not view the world through an adult's eyes...their world is vastly different and with that comes a different perception of what's real. Children often fight against what they perceive as injustice whereas we parents, because of our experiences are making decision based on what we feel is in the best interest of our child. Our children don't have our experience. I find it incredible that my daughter...knowing full well that arguing with me will get her into trouble, continues to do so...at 3 she can be very argumentative. I have to be careful not to over control her and it could be that I'm expecting more out of her than she can give...I think a lot of parents do that because it's be a heck of a lot easier on us if they'd just listen and do as they're told...it's hard to find that balance. Children need to have a voice but they also need to know who is in charge.

I hope you and your husband are on board with each other regarding the disciplinary process. If one or the other circumvents...then your son will surely try to play the two of you against each other to get what he wants. My daughter, when she was 18 months old and not even talking yet turned to her daddy after I said "no" to her picking up something...she looked to see if he said "no" as well...he and I support each other and that's absolutely mandatory...it starts young.

Think about what kind of choices your son has at home. What helps my daughter is giving her a time frame. She can tell the time on a digital clock and although I know she's younger than your son by 3 yrs., the idea of time structure works for children of all ages. I tell her what time something is going to happen, such as bath time, bed time, etc. I even give her a time where I'll play with her if I'm trying to clean up the kitchen or something. It doesn't always work but then contingencies come into play if she starts to argue. Time outs right now work for her but sometimes I've had to take her book time at night away, toys, etc., but she does however have the opportunity to win it back depending on the nature of the behavior that got her into trouble in the first place.

I'm sorry this is so lengthy...your situation is definitely urgent and if necessary, don't be afraid to talk to a professional about these things. His volatile behavior towards you and his sister will increase if you are unable to develop something that works for the family. There's a reason for everything, it's a matter of finding out what those reasons are and children have a hard time communicating the "why" of their behavior.

I hope this helps some, I'm glad you're seeking out help...again don't be afraid to take this problem to an outside professional like a social worker or psychologist should the volatile behavior continue. No one expects you to be able to solve every problem on your own...especially when you're so close to the situation. Someone neutral might see something you don't.

Take care and I wish you and your family well!

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