Four Year Old with Gross Behavior

Updated on September 21, 2012
E.B. asks from Tacoma, WA
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Hello everyone!! I feel like it has been forever since I have asked a question:)

First a little background:
We have newly had my 4 year olds behavioral issues actually diagnosed through and through. He came out with Pervasive Developmental Disorder(PDD), Oppositional Defiant Disorder(ODD), ADHD and a Sensory Processing Disorder(SPD).

Here is my issue. He has recently started very inappropriate behavior. He pulls his pants down in public and will pretend to be peeing on things.

He will try and grab his brothers if he happens to be in the room changing(we keep everyone's clothes in our room, because my Zman likes to empty everything out constantly...we have to keep our room as the ''safe room'' for everyone's stuff).

He has also started trying to grope me. He was nursed but has not been on the boob since last March. He had a cold and both of us just got over it.

I have told the brother's as well as the neighborhood kids just to ignore it, unless he tried touching one of them inappropriately. Then I needed to know so that I can address the issue then and there.

He does not do well with punishment. With his ODD he becomes extremely violent. To the point that he has given me black eyes. So when I have tried to correct the behavior he gets upset which then sends him into a tail spin.

Help me help him understand it is not ok to touch people like this. And pulling his pants off in public is not ok. He does not understand or pick up Social ques. So he may think something is totally funny, not understanding it is not funny at all. What would you do??

The other thing I am extremely concerned about. He has started lying. For instance, yesterday he came running over from the neighbors house and ran up to the door yelling ''Mommy Bree Bree wants you now, you gotta come''. Bree is the mom to two of the nine kids in their house. When I walked over there, she was not even home.

Then there are the instances where he will come up to me and say '' so and so hit me'' or he has even gone as far as running up to dad saying ''Daddy mom hit me'' When I was no where near him.

My concern is he is going to start using this behavior at school. The teacher so far says he has not had any issues.

So why is he doing this at home!?!

He is in Occupational Therapy and is processing out to start with a Child Psych. to further address the issues and go on from there.

I want to believe this is just a phase. I try an d ignore it when I can. It just does not see to matter.

The three hours in the afternoon I savory now....I count down the minutes until his school bus comes...and that is not fair. This is just such exhausting behavior. It makes me feel like I have done something wrong here.

What can I do next?

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K.P.

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See if you can get a behavioral therapist to come to your home on a weekly basis. He or she will be able to work with you to redirect his behaviors and apply appropriate and consistent consquences. Whether he does well with punishments or not, you have to apply consequences. The trick is finding ones that will end the behavior without creating new ones!

He's doing this in home for several reasons:
1. He's holding it together at school all day and that is exhausting.
2. He's well aware of the social implications of his behavior in school and knows that it is not a "safe place" to melt down.
3. Home is a "safe place" to let it all out, so he does.

This is VERY typical for children with behavioral and mental health concerns. Know that your son is not atypical in this and that a behavior therapist is really the key for you!

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S.B.

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Oh sweetie you haven't done anything wrong. Now that you know your little man has some issues you are on the path to getting him help.

I think right now you need to keep letting him know that pulling his pants down and touching others is not appropriate behavior. Consistency with the message is what will help. The violent outbusts regarding discipline I would think is him maniuplating the situation but I'm not sure. I would talk to the child psych and see what they suggest especially how to discipline. Also, some counseling for the family wouldn't hurt either. Your other kids are living this as well and I'm sure this is causing them stress.

You are in for a long and painful ride. But you are going in the right direction and he will get better. Hang in there! Its okay for you to not miss him and enjoy those three hours.

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P.K.

answers from New York on

I think this is beyond us on this site. I would think some kind of therapy
is needed. Probably behavioral. Wish I could help but you have many
things going on and need a professional. Good luck.

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M.P.

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Sounds like you're just starting to get professional help. The child psychiatrist will be able to help you with learning different ways to manage your child.

I've had experience with children who react with violence. What I learned from a social worker is to calmly and firmly physically restrain a child before they get out of control. There is a specific technique during which you wrap your arms and legs around the child. It's called a therapeutic hold. I can't describe it accurately. Perhaps one of the professionals can show you how to do it.

The plan is to hold them until they calm down. The holding is the consequence. It deals with the immediate situation and also helps them learn how to calm down. It has to be done with as little emotion as you can muster.

At 4, he is small enough that you can safely enclose his arms and legs with your arms and legs. I would hold the child with his back to me, wrapping my arms around his torso. Grab each wrist and cross his arms over his chest. Then wrap your legs over his legs. Sit down with him in your lap. It will take some time to learn how to do it so that he isn't able to squirm free.

One of the reasons this works is that he senses he's out of control. He doesn't like what is happening any more than you do. He just doesn't know how to get his emotions and thus his body back in control. He will eventually be relieved that you are in charge, that you will help him get back in control.

He is doing this at home for many reasons. An important one is that he knows you will love him no matter how he acts. He has to have an outlet somewhere for his intense emotions. Also, school is a more structured environment. Many children function better with more structure and less stimuli. You can't maintain the same sort of environment at home.

Now that you have professionals involved you'll learn ways of managing his behavior and he'll slowly learn better ways of behaving. My grandson has some of the same issues as your son. He started in treatment when he was 2. He still has difficulty with anger but we've all learned how to manage it.

My grandson started in treatment thru the school district in an early intervention program. A social worker came to the house every week and showed my daughter how to interact with him. She taught my daughter discipline skills that worked better than the ones she was using.

One way that my daughter manages her children is to send/take them to their room when they are not managing well. At first she would physically have to take her son to his room but after just a few weeks he would go on his own. I think he was around 6 when she started this.

I suggest that you could try it with your 4 yo. Notice when he's barely starting to get agitated and take him to his room to calm down. Better yet monitor activity and mood and provide him with a safe place in which to be calm. These kids are so easily agitated. They do not function well with alot of activity going on at once.

Let him know ahead of time that you have a new plan to help him manage; that when he needs to settle down you are going to take him to his room. He can play while he's there. It's not a punishment. It's a management tool.

I'd ignore the lies. He's doing it to get your attention. I'd not take action based on his words. Don't go to the neighbors for example. When he says mommy hit me, respond with "I know that's not true" and then ignore any further statements.

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S.L.

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You've not done anything wrong and to me you sound like a great mom who is trying to help her child, trying to be proactive where you can, trying to change his bad behavior, trying to help with his behaviour towards the neighborhood kids - you are doing it all mom. I don't blame you for being overwhelmed. I don't really have any advice, just wanted to give you a "good job" and remind you to give yourself a pat on the back every once in awhile.
All the best!

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N.I.

answers from Portland on

I don't know if this will help all his behavior but if you go to www.hellolife.net you can get help for some of those problems. People with ADD or ADHD and some of the others symptoms are helped with homeopathic drops and these work awesome without meds. It also may help some of the other issues but probably not all. A child psychologist is good but you also could try the hello life website as well. I believe it is FDA approved for this types of things???

Supplementation is good because these little guys need a lot of good nutrition. I have seen it help people.

N.

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J.A.

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John Rosemond, the parenting authority, has a lot of good advise for those behaviors that we'd like to see go away. His advice is universally applicable, developmental disorders or not, so it would be good to take a look. I'm in the middle of "Parenting by the Book," but he's written tons of books. There's probably one for your son's specific age and phase of development.

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