At My Wits End - Sandy,UT

Updated on May 15, 2008
R.J. asks from Sandy, UT
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here is the thing I have a boy that just turned 11. We moved at the beginning of the school year so he started 5th grade at a new school. This is not new to him we have moved around the valley and he has changed school two or three times before. The problem I am having is my son that has always been a straight A student, well mannered, well behaved has become not that kid. He is getting B's and C's in school I received a call from a mother on Saturday that she had received a "disgusting" message on her machine aimed toward her 11 year old daughter. I heard the message sure enough it was my son and one of his new friends. He tried to lie his way out even when he was caught red handed. Long story short I have tried talking to him I have tried discipline I have tried everything. There is something going on has anyone ever watched thier kid just slide down hill and feel this helpless??

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So What Happened?

So I "grounded" my son for two weeks and have not allowed him to have anything to do with the other kids he got in trouble with. i sent a note to school informing the teacher as part of his punishment he was not allowed to socialize with these particular kids. His attitude has improved he is slowly turning back into the son I had. his progress report form school was A's and one B. Maybe we just hit a little rough patch there but I think we are okay now

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C.O.

answers from Fort Collins on

Do hang in there. Hopefully, you thanked the other parent for contacting you. One thing I think is helpful for parenting this age is the concept of autonomy and responsibility.
In other words, you (the child) want more autonomy; you want to make you own decisions and plans, and be allowed to go places without parents, and even have the freedom to go or do things on your own. We want to you be able to have that - BUT it is our job as parents, always has been, to make sure you can handle the freedoms we give you. We didn't let you play outside unsupervised until we had seen that you would not eat rocks or sand or try to climb or do other dangerous things. We did not let you play in the front yard unsupervised until we could trust you to stay away from the road. When we saw that you were getting more responsible, we taught you how to safely go out in the road to get your ball. When we saw that you were responsible about crossing streets and staying out of traffic, and were beginning to make good decisions even when someone else chose to do something risky or wrong, then we let you walk to school or to the park or to a friends house by yourself, etc.

Bottom line, each time you show maturity and responsiblity (by good decisions, actions, etc.) we know we can trust you to be responsible with a little more autonomy. If you make bad choices or show that we cannot trust you in some way, then we know you are not able to handle that much responsibility for a while. It's not so much about punishment, but about our job as parents and how we make our decisions. IF you are ready for the autonomy/responsibility you want, then you must show it.

Hang in there. We've all made dumb mistakes, and we learn. As for the phone call, most of us have made a few prank calls. Since you were lucky enough to hear the call, you can decide whether the call was indeed just irresponsible mischief or whether the content or message (?intent?) was more serious. If you are worried about the content, say so. Tell your son what you found especially disturbing about it and why. Don't be afraid to confront him with how his actions may effect other people. ie - The girl may feel less safe in her own home or at school. Is that really what he wanted? More than likely, he already knows it was wrong and why. If he continues to deny that it happened or accept responsibility for his actions, then I guess I'd get more involved.

And last, but very important, check in with his teachers. Not to ask specifically about the phone call; but about how he is adjusting socially, about why his grades are not what you are used to, etc. Ask them what kinds of things are lowering his grades; do they think he doesn't understand, or is he not turning things in, or is he disruptive in class... It can be weeks, even months before a kids' records from other school arrive at the new school. They probably have no idea that the performance they are seeing from him might indicate a problem. And not knowing your son well yet, they won't notice a "change" in personality that could indicate serious problems either. But from hearing their observations, you will have a better idea whether he is just adjusting and testing, or whether something is very wrong.

It is possible that he is trying hard to fit in, and the most receptive classmates he has found at this school have been different types of kids than he usually hangs out with. At our house, we are big on "choosing what kind of person YOU want to be" and standing up for what you really believe is right (or even standing up for yourself "no, I just don't want to do that, let's do something else"). No excuses like "it was his idea"; you still choose your own actions. I tell my son (about that age) "I know you want to fit in, everybody does. But, before you try TOO hard to fit in, make sure you know what you are fitting into and that you really want to be a part of that".

Good luck. "Parenting is not for sissies."

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M.B.

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Hi,
it looks like you already delt with this but I just wondered if you have heard of love and logic? And by the way: You are a good mom, you are paying attention! And, this is all normal stuff, testing the waters and figuring out what works etc. Keep up the good work!

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J.

answers from Salt Lake City on

Well, it sounds like it might be his new friend that might be adding to the situation. How well do you know his new friend? Maybe you need to set limits with your son hanging out with him. Also, just because he has switched schools before doesn't mean they are the same setting, same kids. He could be having trouble adjusting. Have you talked with his teachers? Have they noticed anything with him adjusting at school, or kids disincluding him? I still think some of it might stem from his friend and I would start there. Otherwise, it could just be a rebellious phase he's going through. Good luck!

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K.M.

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R.,

For what it's worth..I have two sons age 4 and 14 both great kids.

I experienced this with our son and contacted the school counselour. He really was able to help. I thought school counselours were for "problem children". My experience was that the conselour was able to really get behind the problem also he was very aware of my sons behavior way before me. My son is very social and likes the girls. So grades came in last. The phone for teen boys really seems to get them into trouble. The speak without thinking and then realize the accountablity. I honestly believe they think no one will reconize them. I picked up the phone while my son's friend was pranking a girl. He honestly was so silly. I hope this helps.

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M.R.

answers from Denver on

Hey R.,
I understand your despair. I am a black belt at tweens and teens. I have ages 29, 26 and now 13 again...ugh!
At around 11 their peers begin to dictate what is cool and what is acceptable. Please do not look at this incident as a pre- horror of whats to come it is just a isolated incident...really! It seems to me my boy 13 now has periods of brain damage...lol. I also am team mom and work full time and believe compared to the majority of moms I see am doing good. Please relax he made a mistake there is more to follow it is peer pressure. Remember you can still choose his friends now. Good luck, M.

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J.B.

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Hi! I have a 12 year old, and have experienced similar issues. In addition, I was moved around quite a bit as a child and know what that can do to a child's head. Everyone says that children adjust just fine, but the truth is, children crave stability and structure and without it they tend to let go of principles we try to foster, like respecting others, having pride in themselves, etc. I would love to talk with you more, feel free to call me ###-###-####. I have a few good ideas that helped me get my son back on track.
J.

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S.S.

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Soccer, Football, Baseball and Basketball are all non-required activities. If you're son cannot show respect to others (and his family), then remove the ability to attend these activities and make him earn them back by good behavior. It's hard to do, but I went through a similar situation and I removed all activities besides homework. As I saw behavior and grades improve, slowly other activities were earned back. Talk to the school counselor as well. They may be able to give you some good suggestions as far as things that may be affecting school work. There are tons of resources out there for us parents now. You are starting down the right road by just asking your question here! Good luck!

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L.S.

answers from Fort Collins on

Hey R.,
I used to be that kid! Reading your request brought flashbacks of my school days! Back then, my family moved around a lot too. I was in a different school almost every two years. For the most part, I was a good kid. Fought with my sister, stuff like that, nothing terrible. At the beginning of my fifth grade year my parents moved us from Denver (where I loved going to school and all of my friends) to Wyoming (where I didn't know anyone and hated it). When a kid starts a new school, they get three choices: 1. Be friends with the first few people who talk to you (they are usually considered the "nerds/not popular" 2. Be a loner or 3. Get in with the trouble crowd. There is not usually an option to get in with the "cool" crowd because they are just that cool. When we moved to Wyoming I went from the cool crowd to a trouble crowd. I thought it was the greatest thing in the world to have such friends who had no cares in the world. We would break into vacant houses, we stole from the local convenient store, and we smoked whatever we could find. When we did get caught, my mom and dad were furious, but they could not control me. I just had an "I don't care" attitude. The best thing they did for me, was remove me from the situation. Like I said, I was a good kid, I just made bad decisions. Don't let your son hang out with these kids. At his age, influence is everything. Sign him up for sports, school programs, whatever you can to keep him busy and out of trouble. Best of luck and if you want to know anything else, let me know.

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