Screaming 17 Month old...help.

Updated on July 07, 2009
E.N. asks from Oceanside, CA
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Hi! I know i am not alone here, and so i am asking for some encouragement from other mothers out there. I have a brilliant 17 mo old girl. She is wonderful. I love the oppurtunity of staying with her all day long...unless of course i have to go to the store. Hahahaha. She just started this screaming at the top of her lungs when she wants her way. Whether it is because she refuses to sit in the grocery cart...does not want to sit in the car seat, in frustration because she wants something, or gets the boot from her older sisters room etc. It is driving me CRAZY. It has been about 3 weeks now. I have tried ignoring it, i have tried to tell her verbally that she does not have to scream. I pray this is a passing phase.....but can you share what has worked for you? Can someone please share that is will stop one day???? My first was SO easy, this one is SO defiant! I appreciate any input. Thank you!

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D.M.

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E.,

My best friend and I used to take our son's to the same Pedi and he went through this at that age. I watched him during this time while my friend was in school, and often would take him to the doctor. So, I asked the same question you're asking now...his answer was simply 'if he's not in pain, he's screaming for a reason and it's most likely attention'.

While your oldest was easy, you have to think of all the work 2nd born kids have to do to keep up with siblings and parents. There is this whole world that existed before her and she is trying to figure out where she fits in it. So, if screaming gets her what she wants then she'll do it. My younger sister attributes her shyness as a toddler to a lack of motivation to talk for herself because we always did it for her.

There are things that I've done when my little one tantrums and there is high pitched yelling involved. I used a very quiet voice, cup my ears and tell him I can't hear him, and I repeat myself until he is calm. This works pretty well for us and a few other people I know.

From what I've learned the important thing is to get her calm, explain to her in no unceratin terms why the screaming is not helping and then work on showing her better ways to show you what she wants. Since my son was a much younger we've talked about feelings and what it is to mad/sad/frustrated and how to handle that. This morning he told me he was 'mad at Mommy' because he wanted to stay home and not go with his Dad.

Some kids just need a bit of help finding their language and that's okay. You just have to make sure you show her how to find it and not let her develop one that is tough to deal with as she gets older. Remember no two kids is the same and they are always changing.

Good luck and don't forget patience!

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S.H.

answers from Honolulu on

Deanna Leigh gave you spot on advice.
I agree with this and do this with my own kids as well. My kids are now very articulate kids, they KNOW themselves, they KNOW their feelings and can express it accurately.

This kind of 'teaching' takes time and evolves. But it sets a good solid foundation for their communication/expectations/abilities/coping skills later... when it is more age appropriate.

Your girl is not "defiant." She is only 17 months old... at this age they don't have ANY impulse control, and impulse control is developed... over time. All a baby knows at this age is rudimentary forms of communication... and "yelling" is one of them. Remember, their understanding and communication at this age is RUDIMENTARY still. Although the Parent wishes they'd act like an 'older' child already. But it won't happen.... until they are developmentally and emotionally more mature.
Keep in mind, that what a baby/toddler has in their minds... is not necessarily what they "can" do, literally. So, for kids this age, there is that conflict of 'understanding' versus "ability" to do things. But it is basic cognitive development and normal.

Yes, this "phase" will pass.
OVER TIME, the skills/coping skills that a parent teaches a child, will become an "ability" that a child will later be able to do. Literally. Not just yet, at this early of an age.

Teaching a baby/child, what feelings are, the names for it, is very beneficial. I even taught my kids, that even Grown-Ups get this way... but we "learn" to cope and how to help each other, and be a "team." I even taught my kids that even Mommy is not "perfect" (which is a real eye opener for a child),and that Mommy tries "her best" TOO.

I also know, that even MY voice/actions can piss off a child. WHOA, there's a thought! AND, my daughter is totally able to succinctly tell me things such as "Mommy, I'm upset because you didn't listen to me when I called you....." or, "Mommy, it made me angry that you didn't look at the picture I just drew because you're so busy...." WHOA! Yes, I DO "allow" my kids to tell me things too... and TOGETHER, we work on it and LEARN together. THIS I found, made a BIG difference in how my kids deflate when they are upset. Instead of talking 'at' them, or making something a 'right and wrong' situation, or making something a 'do it or else' situation.... I approach it as a TEAM effort... and how "happy' it makes Mommy when they simply try their best. At no time, do I expect "perfection" from them (since I know each child has different abilities or understanding), so merely trying their best, is great!
For instance, my son is a toddler, he is almost 3 years old... but when he's upset and "yells/screams", I go up to him, I tell him "I know you are upset, can you explain to Mommy why?" Or, I tell him "You can say what you want and I will listen, but can you say it softer?" And then he will say the same thing but in a lower tone of voice. Then HURRAY, I am so proud of him! And he learns this way. But with my Daughter, all I have to do is give her a certain look/facial expression, and she knows INSTANTLY to lower her pitch.
So, you do what works for each child.
I don't do time-outs with my kids. I find it futile for their learning. But I do the occasional toy time-out, or just good ol' talking to them, and showing them the reasoning for what I am telling them, then I give them alternate ideas for it. I "allow" my kids to vent.... I know kids get real pent up, and have so much energy and ideas in their heads... so they NEED an outlet. So, in the midst of a storm... sometimes I just tell them "you can yell, but go in your room to do it...." and its fine. They learn coping skills about it. THEN, we talk about it or I praise them when they 'act-out' but in a positive way.

Sometimes, I just point blank tell my kids "you can't get what you want by yelling. It does not work with Mommy. No. When you think about it, and can ask in another way, then let me know..." And, I actually SEE them "thinking" and stopping... then pausing, then they will actually ASK me in another more palatable way.

BUT, it takes practice and repetition.
Both my kids are spirited, expressive, have trumpet voices, and are very lively... but these things work with them. AND, its a 2-way street though... I also let them tell me what is good/bad if they want to... a child needs to learn how to express themselves and know that they won't get "scolded" for every little thought or action, even if it is not pleasant. This way, they learn how to 'gauge' themselves and others.

If it were my kid, screaming about not wanting to be in the grocery cart, then I would whisper, explain that being in the cart is only for a little while and if he/she can try her best to "help" Mommy and sit nicely....then I will let him/her out and we can go for a walk together later. For my younger son, this works. I tell him my expectation, then offer an outcome or an "incentive" and my son really responds to this kind of rationale. Then I follow through. Or, if he really does not want to be in the cart, then I let him out if he can ask me nicely (instead of yelling) and he does so.... but with the "rule" that he has to follow me closely. And he does.
All the best, sorry for rambling, just some ideas and what I do with my kids that works,
Susan

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S.Z.

answers from Reno on

I have 4 kids, and one of them was more work than the other three combined! Yes, this too will end one day!!! But, be aware, there will be more times you just have to remind yourself that nothing lasts forever.

When my daughter(s) wanted to scream - that high pitched, glass shattering sound - if we were at home, I said, "Go do that in your room." Occasionally, I'd have to carry her to her room. Taking away the audience made it MUCH less fun. She'd eventually quiet down so she could come out, and would usually then have a huge tale of woe to tell, to make sure everyone's focus was on her, but that's FAR more acceptable than the shrieking. If we were in public, I would say, "That stops right now or we go home and you go to your room." I had to mean it, to be willing to walk away without getting my shopping or banking done, but again, taking away the audience had an effect.

A girlfriend of mine always bought her girls things - toys or candy - if they promised to be quiet, so they were still pulling public, howling tantrums into their teens. Imagine how THAT looked, and how it went over with everyone else. Yuck.

Hang in there! :)

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D.H.

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My daughter started this at about 21 mos. and then ended at about 2-1/2 yrs. She would pitch a fit the minute I would walk into the market. I told my husband that I would have to market when he got home from work. She would cry when I left but he would try to reaffirm with her that I was coming back and that if she wouldn't cry when I went to the market then I would take her. I had to do a lot during that time while my husband was home. It was hard because you want to have everything done before they get home from work so that you can enjoy the evening with everyone. It was a short time, but things got back to normal. If I had to go to the store during that time I would just take her and make her stay in the cart, eventually she would give up.

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C.G.

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E.,

Come up with a plan- timeout, leaving the store immediately, whatever it may be- and do it every time without emotion or reaction- follow it up with some sort of consequence- time out or whatever you feel is age appropriate. Be consistent. And be deliberate- don't fold and give her what she wants or she will do it again and again.

Check out: http://www.lullabyluna.com/2009/06/sticking-to-our-guns.html

C., mother of 3, sleep consultant, sleep blog writer www.lullabyluna.com

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