Risk What We Have or Fight for More?

Updated on January 02, 2011
A.S. asks from Sandusky, OH
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My husband and I have custody of my cousin's son, JJ. JJ's mom (M) (my cousin on maternal side) and dad (D) had 4 children. They were never married but were together for 7 years. Both parents struggle with mental and physical disabilities and lived soley off social security and disability even though they could have worked if they wanted to. They learned the more children they had, the more money they received from the government. Long story short, M & D left 2 of their children with grandparents when they moved to a different state with the intention of 'going back to get them later'. A short time later, D left in the middle of the night without telling M or the 2 kids that were still in their care. Grandma took one of the kids on 'vacation' and never returned with him. We later learned that the child is in custody of D. M was afraid of losing her only remaining child (JJ) and moved across the country. M & JJ lived in homeless shelters and with a friend M met on the internet until one day M just never came home. JJ stayed with the 'friend' for several months until the friend handed him off to her sister. The sister kept JJ several months and finally called CPS. They learned that M was in a nursing home dealing with several medical issues - all related to a mental disability.

My husband and I became involved when we were contacted by CPS as a 'last resort' before putting him in foster care. CPS indicated that they had contacted all other family members and no one was able to take JJ. If we didn't take him, he would be placed in foster care. My husband and I did not even know JJ, but we didn't want to see him go into foster care after having gone through so much already, so obviously, we went to get him. The only thing we received from CPS was a letter signed by M giving us temporary custody until she was well enough to take him back. JJ had just turned 5 when he came to live with us. My husband and I fell in love with him immediately and after hearing the stories of all he had gone through, we became more and more determined to prevent him from going back to his former situation. When we tried to enroll him in kindergarten, the letter from CPS & M was not sufficient legal documentation, so we were forced to file for legal custody. Surprisingly, we received no response from M, but even though he hadn't tried to contact JJ previously, D fought to prevent us from getting custody.

After years of going back and forth with the court only to have the hearing postposed again and again, my husband and I were able to make a deal with D. We would be joint conservators with my husband and I having primary custody. D agreed to 6 weeks visitation every summer.

Fast-forward 5 years, JJ is now 10 years old. He has spent a total of 3 weeks with D and doesn't want to spend another moment with him. JJ has a lot of anger and resentment toward D, which is understandable, but I know that until he is able to forgive M & D, the situation will haunt him. My husband and I have ALWAYS kept our personal opinions about his parents to ourselves and continuously defended his parents actions with 'they have physical and mental disabilities that prevent them from . . . .". JJ's negative feelings about D are his own. JJ is angry with us for 'settling out of court' and wants to go back to court to terminate D's rights. JJ wants our last name, he wants us to legally adopt him and he doesn't want either of his parents a part of his life.

Here's the dilemma: I KNOW that if we go back to court, we risk D gaining more visitation rights than he currently has. D wants to have a relationship with JJ although he doesn't make as much effort as I would if I were in his shoes. Our attorney advised us previously that a judge would grant him a minimum of 6 weeks visitation in the summer in addition to holidays, etc. This is the reason we 'settled' on the arrangement we are in currently. I try to explain this to JJ, but he fully believes that if had the opportunity to speak with a judge, the judge would understand what he wants and prevent D from having contact with him. I doubt that D would ever try to take us back to court for additional custody rights - UNLESS we filed another motion as JJ wants us to do. D will not willingly terminate his parental rights and at this point a judge would not terminate his rights because he is making an effort (limited as it may be) to establish a relationship with JJ.

I guess my question is: Do we risk losing more visitation rights to D or possibly even permanent custody by letting a judge hear the case? JJ doesn't understand the risk involved because as 'wise beyond his years' as he is, he still has an ideallistic belief that the judge would 'do the right thing' and 'allow JJ to make the decision'. My husband and I want to give him as stable and normal a life as we possibly can. JJ does not want to let go of the thought that we could legally adopt him and it is a continuous point of conversation by him.

At what point would JJ be able to make the decision to have us legally adopt him and take our last name? Does he have to wait until he's 18 years old or can it be done sooner? My husband and I love him more than anything in the world and it is so difficult to watch him suffer when we could file a motion and at least TRY to give JJ what will make him feel stable and normal. What is the RIGHT thing to do in this situation?

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I.G.

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You need to find a really good family law attorney and ask all those questions. I would be hesitant to open that can of worms again. Most judges do not "do the right thing" they to "the legal thing" and the law sides with the biological parents in most things. I am assuming that D might have custody of some of his other children at this point - so I can see that a point could be made that reuniting the family could be in the interest of all kids. Not saying that that is true - just that that point could be made.
You seem to have a good understanding that having a favorable relationship with his biological parents is in this boy's interest, even if he does not see it that way now. Consider getting him counseling - he's been through a lot at a much too young age.
Good luck~

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J.P.

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I think that you need to go to a lawyer and take JJ with you and explain all of the information to the lawyer and find out at what age in your state a child is alllowed to make that type of decision. Then make a game plan depending on what age that is so that JJ knows that you are taking his request seriously and that you are making a plan to accomplish this goal. I think you taking these steps will let him know that you want him and give him stability. I will be praying for your family and I hope that all goes well.

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B.H.

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Don't really have any advice for you, just want to say that you and your husband are fine people. It's no wonder that JJ wants to stay with you in your warm and stable home.

I agree with Jaimee, contacting an attorney and getting some advice before you do anything sounds like a good plan...
Good Luck!

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S.B.

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have you spoken with a lawyer? I would talk to a lawyer and see what the odds are of a judge taking JJ's wishes into account and letting you adopt.

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M.P.

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I would talk to your lawyer and ask when you can legally adopt him without the fathers consent(nobody on this board can give you as good of an answer as your lawyer can on this). And then promise JJ that at that point you will and that he will not have to deal with his bio dad ever again. I would also have the lawyer explain to JJ that the judge will not do the right thing by him and that is not how it works. It may hit home if it comes from someone other than you.

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G.T.

answers from Modesto on

Seems like I saw a movie once with a similar story line as yours. The child actually retained a lawyer himself (of course with help of loving caregivers) and the lawyer had to work for the child... and they won and the kid got to be adopted. Just a thought since I have absolutely no idea what his or your legal rights are in case like this. However, I'm pretty certain that his parents limited ability to care for him and provide a safe living environment are definitely in your favor. I have a metally disabled tenant that had her children taken away 6 years ago, she has been fighting endlessly to get them back and to no avail, it's sad to see how heartbroken she is over it but it also makes me thing the system does work in the childrens favor in certain cases. She would not be a good mother and the courts see that.

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J.K.

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I'd pray about it and go with your instincts. You could go either way depending on how God is leading you. You could just stay out of the court and just explain the reason to JJ and stick to you guns to be safe, or you can step out on a limb and risk it to try to adopt JJ. Usually, in something like this, I'd pray about it, talk it over with hubby and JJ, then make the decision and trust that I'm making the right choice. I wish you the best! You're an awesome mom! Good luck!

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P.W.

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I don't know the legalities. However, if you know there is too much risk by going back to court, then don't go back to court. You have to tell JJ that unfortunately, there IS too much risk involved in going back to court, and his idealistic view of the legal system is unfortunately incorrect.

As soon as you are legally able to adopt JJ with no risk of losing more time with him - do it, and tell JJ that's the plan. You guys are great.

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R.J.

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Most states allow the child to "influence" the court's decision between the ages of 12-14. Prior to that a psychologist/psychiatrist MAY have some influence. A lot also depends on getting lucky or unlucky with a judge.

I would speak to an attorney again, and this time take JJ with you. Lay out the process and the timeline. Often kids just don't believe their parents. Having "what we need to do, how, and when" by someone other than you may help ease JJ's heart and mind while you 3 bide your time.

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A.J.

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OMG...your story melted my heart:) and :(. I think you should find a gooooood attorney and make sure the best works out as possible. I don't know what I would do...I just wanted to say thank you for being such a spectacular person, you and your hubby, and as someone who has seen the worst in terms of foster care consequences for young people, I am so encouraged to know people like you exist! That's all...just thank you:)

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G.B.

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I believe the judge would listen to him then discount whatever he had to say. The attorney knows the law, he is supposed to be in your corner, do you have doubts? Ask the attorney what the age limit is for the judge to take into consideration what he has to say.

My first thought about your letter is:
He has seen his dad 3 weeks out of the past 5 years...he had little contact with him before that...he has no idea of what his dad is like if all the interaction has been that limited. That is what a judge is going to see too.

It sounds like to me that this little boy loves you and wants you to be his parents. He is just trying to get things the way he wants them to be, fulfill his fantasy of the perfect family. Like a little kid does when their parents decide to divorce and they try to get them back together. He is just trying to fulfill his deepest desires.

Just keep explaining to him that you love him and that he is at home and always will have a home there. That things will work out for the best.

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D.P.

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I have not a clue as to the legalities or probabilities of this situation and the potential changes of the visitation BUT I really like the idea of the child having his own attorney--as well as a "guardian ad litem" (?) to try to begin the parental right termination process.
I admire you for what you've done for this child and continue to do for him. My heart also goes out to his siblings.

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T.M.

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I have no idea how this works in court. I would think along the lines of JJ. I would hope that a judge would hear his side. I would hope the judge would see the negligence on D's part. Unfortunately it could go both ways. I would talk to a trusted lawyer and as him/her. Also, do you have a district judge in your town that you can talk to? Just to get his/her opinion on the matter?

I wish you the best of luck. What you are doing for this little boy is the most kind, wonderful, beautiful thing that you could ever do :)

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L.P.

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I really have no idea. I would suggest having JJ sit down with a lawyer and maybe having someone else explain what you have already would ease his mind. He would know that you want the same thing that he wants; however, a profession might be able to convince him of the possilbe negative results.

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