DO I RETAIN MY KINDERGARTENER? IS THAT WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF MY DAUGHTER?
Input, advice, suggestions PLEASE! My 6 year old daughter Annabelle is beginning her last 6 weeks of Kindergarten. She is described by everyone as the most well behaved child in her class of 22 students, 6 of which are MAJOR behavior problems! To start at the beginning of the school year.... I was overjoyed to discover that Annabelle was in Ms. B's class and knew for certain that this would be a wonderful year! I made a few visits to Ms. B's class in early fall at which time I would have thought by now things would be running fairly smoothly. 22 kids, 1 Fabulous Teacher, a full-time Paraprofessional, as well as teachers coming in to the classroom to work with all the students in small groups. After say 10 minutes of my first visit I was ready to admit myself to the looney bin, this classroom was in total disarray! I decided maybe I was blowing it out of proportion (although I am a mother of 4) and thought well 22 "well behaved" 5 & 6 year olds would be a task in itself but factor in those 6 that are climbing on the tables, wondering around disturbing any and everyone that will listen and you officially have a ZOO! I get home and share my concerns with my husband who also thinks maybe I'm over exaggerating a bit so I dismiss it as a bad day in The Fabulous Ms. B's room, after all my sweet girl was doing exactly as told and is just taking all this in. As the baby of 4 (ages 6-18) she has seen her share of chaos! Report cards come home and all seems to be normal with A except that she has been referred to the Speech Therapist (this wasn't a surprise) ST was to begin in early October. I had noticed she had a little trouble with her "sh", "th" sounds but felt comfortable that the school was on top of it and this would be addressed immediately. October comes and I head back to Ms. B's class to celebrate A's 6 birthday. Surprise, surprise it's a mad house AGAIN today, but this time the paraprofessional is absent (no sub) I yet again chalked it up to it was A's bday and after all everyone LOVES her! All 21 classmates lined up to have me take their individual picture with the bday girl! I took care of business and escaped before I was completely insane! At this point I've come to the conclusion that this could turn ugly quickly and that it could be at the expense of my sweet, compliant, and well behaved child. November comes and still no ST, another report card and all seems ok. (I am aware at this point after 2 years of pre-school that my sweet , beautiful, well behaved child will most likely never be in the gifted program but she tries her best and does it all with a smile) Christmas Holidays come and go and I have noticed that A isn't as far along academically at this point in the year as her sibling that is 2 years older was but all kids are different, each classroom environment is different as well as many other factors. I'm noticing some problems with "recognition (or maybe pronunciation) of high frequency words" and "sight words". It's January and still no ST....February rolls around and it's time for a parent/teacher conference. At this point I haven't dared to set foot back in Ms. B's room since the bday party. I knew things were no better as A always has a story about one of her classmates doing the unthinkable. Conference day.... No paraprofesional again, no sub again (this time I asked why and Ms. B's response was, "oh no, they would chew up a sub and spit her out") that explains that.... I am informed that it's a great possibility that A will need to "repeat" Kindergarten if the sight words, high freq words don't improve immediately! Now, I was taken back because while I was not expecting miracles I surely thought my sweet little A was getting at least enough of Ms B's time to squeak out of K and not slip thru the cracks....in a panic I hire a licensed educator to tutor her after school twice a week for an hour at a time, we knocked it up several notches at home and start seeing differences. Still no ST! Time for report cards again and a meeting with Ms B, principle and another administrator to discuss A's progress. With 6 weeks left in the year the school, and The Fabulous Ms B is ready to throw in the towel and declare that A is NOT ready to go to first grade! Yes, they all see major changes since tutoring but even though she has no problems with math, writing, social skills, etc her inability to complete the "H F words & sight words" by April 1 deem it necessary to retain her, "they don't see any way around it", never mind that we still have 12+ hours of tutoring before school is out not to mention we have committed to doing it thru the summer as well, but look at it this way, "next year she will be the teachers helper, she will have another whole year to master those 250 words, and believe me she's not the only one staying back, she will be older and more mature" (of course she will be older she will turn 7 two months after school starts back and most of the others will be 5!) Now all these great things they were pointing out weren't doing it for me, but I remained as calm as possible and never pointed out that even Einstein couldn't have learned in that environment! I calmly leave the meeting and after sitting in my car for 15 minutes crying like a baby I convince myself that I would NEVER want to push her thru and watch her have to struggle her whole life. Maybe that was the only choice???
Reports cards came home that day and I took the time to review all the material A wasn't "getting" as they had hurried thru in the conference and gladly pointed out all of her short comings....Also,many of my questions as well as the Principles were answered with,"I really don't know" from Ms B, not the answer I was looking for when something so important is on the line. Upon reviewing the report card, and asking A questions etc I discover that she actually knows a majority of the things Ms B marked as not meeting grade level standards on. Oversight? Maybe... Cant think of any other explanation. I ask A when and where she was "tested" on these things which were everything from colors, number identification, sounds, shapes etc and she said, "in my classroom but we almost always get interrupted two or three times while we are doing it"! Must I explain just how frustrated I am at this point???? I'm not one to make excuses, never have been but something just isn't right about this whole picture!
While in the meeting I was never really given the option of promotion it was just assumed that I would go along with the recommendation of the very people that had failed my child to start with!
We are now on Spring Break and when we return we have 5 weeks left, the school has closed the book on her for this year, even said give her a break from tutoring etc, but NO ONE else has! Her tutor will re-evaluate everything on her last report card to figure out what she knows and doesn't, since I'm certain she "can identify and write her full name" as well "as identify and write numbers 1-30" ! We will then concentrate on getting her where she should be by August in time for her to be a first grader. After a lot of thinking and praying and despite the fact that I do have three other kids in the system that i couldn't happier with my husband and I have decided to change Annabelle to a very small private school in our area. We think this setting will be more suited to her and will help her get back on track as the teacher/student ratio is 1:6. Unlike my other kids, A seems to thrive in a smaller more controlled environment. Annabelle will finally start ST when school starts back, only a year later than recommended.
I do not know exactly how many from the Fab Ms B's class will be retained, I am however thankful that my sweet A will get the chance she deserved from the start, and I still stand by my opinion that Ms. B really is a wonderful teacher. I do think the fact that she is so good resulted in her getting a larger than normal group of "difficult" kids this year. Of course I didn't let that go unnoticed either, I told the Principle (who does student placement) that it was not only unfair to Ms B but more than anything it was unfair to that group of 22 kids.
So the question still remains....DO I RETAIN MY KINDERGARTENER? IS THAT IN HER BEST INTEREST??
I'm gonna say no.... why repeat K for the simple reason of learning 250 words? What about the rest of the time when she is bored to tears? Oh yea, she will be the "Teachers Helper"! Doesn't it make more sense to do everything possible between now and mid August to get her prepared, caught up or whatever and if she struggles in first grade and gets behind then retain her at that point. I'm gonna roll the dice on this and hope and pray we can have her prepared 4 months from now!
Sorry I wrote a book, but this is a very emotional situation that is near and dear to my heart!
Please feel free to comment, criticize, or say anything else that may be beneficial.
Thanks everyone for your answers, opinions, comments and advice. I was pretty convinced that we were making the right decision but your words of encouragement are greatly appreciated.
The school did send a referral for speech services home in September, I completed and returned the form immediately and even confirmed with them that the school would provide this and I wouldn't need to take her myself to an outside therapist. Apparently the ball was dropped somewhere along the way when the system lost the one and only Pathologist/therapist they employed. Once again I was assured that as soon as a replacement was found her therapy would begin as planned. After months of this I started the process of getting her pediatrician to refer us out.
Annabelle does have more than just the problems with "th" "sh" but those two blends seem to be giving her the most trouble with the HF words.
There are 40 high frequency words and she absolutely knows 27 of those as well as approx 70-80 of the 220 sight words.
Regarding the tutor we have been using and will continue to use indefinitely she taught 1st or 2nd grade for 30+ years and thankfully she is my life long best friends mother that completely adores my child. Of course she knows what the classroom environment has been like for A this year, as she has spent hours and hours gathering material that will help her.
As far as the private school for next year, when I say small I mean SMALL it's been around for 30 years and has excellent credentials, my bestfriend went there k-4, but the best of it A will be in a class with THREE other students for 1st grade. Can not possibly see how we could go wrong with this decision.
Yes, I am completely overwhelmed by the total chaos in Ms B's room, Annabelle however loved every single minute of it. I would better describe it as a "glorified preschool setting". Never a dull moment and even tho she got lost in the mess she LOVES Ms B. I am handling this the best way I know how. Like I mentioned earlier I have three older kids in the system and have never had any problems what so ever. Even had a child in K year before last that had an amazing year and she continues to thrive.
If I'm gonna point fingers I still think it goes back to the principle that "knowingly" placed a large group of behavior as well as possible learning disabled kids with this particular teacher because based on past performance ( 2 time teacher of the year) she felt she could "handle it". I guess she did, but at the expense of at least one child that choose to follow the rules, and behave! Unfortunately it was mine and remember the quote"oh she's not the only one not going to first grade"?
I am very thankful for being able to vent and have such kind people to take the time to respond. I am also beyond thankful that I have the resources to offer my child the chance to catch up. I do know there are some in the class that won't get this chance. :(
I will keep everyone updated on how the next 5 weeks play out!
K
One more thing. Yes my older three are in the system but My four children could not being any different. 1 is ADHD that has struggled his entire school life (he is a month from graduating), my freshman is brilliant, never cracks a book and makes all As. My second grader is out to please and finish on top. Had she been in this classroom she would have politely taken her desk out in the hall and closed the door behind her. No one, no matter what the situation will get between her and her goals. Then we have little A who yes is everyone's baby. She would NEVER dream of breaking the rules, or causing a scene and sadly I can see this type of thing happening to her again if she's in the bigger classroom settings.
Don't get me wrong this school system is a very small public system. 300 kids in HS maybe 800 system wide. It is public tho and you see all kinds, rich, poor, behavior issues, etc.
I have told the principle and assistant both about the classroom atmosphere and they both kind of laughed it off. Like I said earlier, they have given up on A so I will leave well enough alone, continue tutoring and working with her here for the next 5 weeks then it will be over. I have confidence that as hard as we are all trying on our end that Miss A will be just fine. Thank you all again for your continued help, encouragement and advice!!
***Update***
Believe this or not....
Apparently the administration found all of this unreal (without my speaking to them) and have decided that A will be in 1st grade. Several different teachers spent some time with her and "found no red flags". We are going to leave her in the same system and see how things go next year. I have been assured that she will have a great teacher with a much better classroom environment. We shall see.... Thanks again for all the comments!!
I worked in admissions for private schools for over 10 years. Didn't the private school test her prior to admitting her? I would follow the private school's recommendation. If she passed their first grade test, then send her on. If they think she isn't ready, then repeat K. If she is ready for their first grade, she should be fine, but if she isn't, it is just setting her up for academic frustration.
Hell no! My child would NOT be repeating kindergarten at that age. I would ask for her to be independently evaluated immediately. I would crank up the tutoring and would even set up tutoring for the summer so she could catch up.
It seems to me there will be much bigger problems than not knowing a few sight words if you put a 7 year old with a bunch of 5 year olds. So no I would not have her repeat kindergarten.
Also, I highly recommend the book "Teach your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons". In just 15 minutes a day I was able to teach my then 4 yo how to read. In 60 days she could read any easy reader at the book store or library. This book teaches phonics so once my daughter had the sounds down she could sound out most words.
Can't imagine anyone criticizing you either. When you thought your daughter was struggling you immediately got her a tutor. That is great! Re: the ST can your health insurance pay for it so your daughter does not have to wait for services?
I would ask if someone independently (another teacher, perhaps, or reading specialist) could test her on the items they are feeling are so important..... it seems that she actually CAN do some of these things, and the teacher is getting so distracted, that she isn't able to test her properly. I realize you said the tutor is going to do that evaluation, also, but maybe someone from the school?
This would also give you the specific things to work on before next year.
I wouldn't retain her without a second opinion..... seems like that poor teacher was very overwhelmed.....
Frankly, I don't think I would have her repeat K at this point.... she will be almost 2 years older than the other kiddos!
No little "A" is bright and capable and will not repeat kindergarden-by next September, if your daughter is properly placed in a classroom with children that are well behaved and interested in learning-she will improve quickly-as though there were never any obstacles. Keep her fresh over the summer with reading and math workbooks-have her participate in a sport, like tennis or swimming for self- confidence. They have failed your daughter-and instead of accepting their mistakes (they are the paid professionals) they are trying to say it is your daughter's fault-no, no, no!
I wouldn't retain her based on what you wrote.
I will say, you are your child's only advocate. Take this as a lesson learned for the future. Stay involved, stay on top of everything going on. Don't avoid a chaotic situation, what the heck did that do? When they recommended ST, IMO, you should have been so far up whoever's butt it took to get her started ASAP. Schools/teachers have SO much more now than just educating. As parents, WE, have to make sure our children don't slip through the cracks, no one else will. Face issues immediately and don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the best interest of your children.
Based on everything you wrote, I would not retain her either.
well, the first thing that comes to mind is 'retaining', 'repeating', 'holding back' and all the other words that parents so dread when it comes to allowing children to spend their days in the most developmentally (not age-appropriate) venue really really color our emotions about it. it's very hard not to feel inadequate or to take it personally.
9 times out of 10 there are good reasons for the professionals in the situation to make their recommendations and for the parents to give it serious consideration, whether or not they ultimately agree.
but i must say, i'm with you in this case. it sounds to me more like a school issue than an annabelle issue. if all she's lacking are some vocab words, she'll easily get that over the summer, and she's bound to do way better in a better school with a sane student/teacher ratio.
that being said, it's not a terrible idea to allow her to experience a really positive kindergarten in her new school, an opportunity that seems to have blown by her in the last chaotic situation. it won't feel like 'repeating' because her friends won't have moved on and left her, it'll be all new friends.
i think the best thing to do is to have the new school give her an evaluation and see what they think. and try very hard (difficult i know!) not to feel let down or deflated if they think kindergarten is a good place for her. i promise you that now, and when she's 12, 16, 21, it will not matter to her one little bit. and it won't matter to you either once you get past the initial 'gah!'
good luck whichever way you choose! and i think you did a really good thing by finding her a new school.
:) khairete
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Wow! Let me start with how sorry I am that you are at this point with the school system. Tough class, insufficient feedback, no speech/language therapy and only one solution offered. This is very hard for me, as an educator, to understand. I am truly sorry.
Your daughter is too old to hold back. Period. If she is not able to keep up with her peers with school and tutoring, then I think the correct recommendation is that she should be evaluated by the school system. I would put a request for a full special education evaluation in writing today and send it to the principal. Then, if she requires supports, they will be in place in September. Also, it is important that you have those supports in writing on an education plan, especially if you consider a private school. Then the system would still be required to offer those services through the public school system. (Ususally parents transport child to services at the public school.) This special education testing would not require you to have these services if you chose not to, but it would require for them to be offered. And if services are not required, you still should receive some very helpful information from the testing about the ways she learns best and why certain areas need attention.
As you say she enjoys school, I wish your daughter a lovely spring, enjoying her teacher and classmates. And for you, all my care. You have to be brave, be certain, be confident and continue to provide whatever support your daughter needs for her success. Ah, pareting! What a calling!
I do not think I would keep her back. She will be 7 and in K. I think once
she is out of the chaos, and in a small setting she will soar! I think even
if she was not in a private school and just not in a chaotic setting she would
do fine. Keep up the tutoring over the summer. Good luck and hope it all
works out.
I taught Kg for 2 years and have taught 1st for 5. In our school district, the kids need to know about 30 sight words in KG. 1st graders learn over a 100. I am very surprised that the KG students there have sooooo many they have to know before 1st. Our KG need to recognize all letters and sounds, count to 100, recognize numbers to 20, rhyme, blend, write their name, etc... Now, I will say that often students who aren't ready for first do end up repeating first grade. It sounds like you are pretty involved and getting her help. If she knows all her sounds, letters, and numbers plus you are tutoring her, go ahead and send her on. If she doesn't progress in first though, you will need to hold her back then. They really need a strong reading foundation before moving on to second grade. Oh on another note... Difficulty with the sh and th sound are developmentally appropriate to age 7 or 8. Our district would not approve services for those until 2nd grade. Now, my son was in speech for 4 years (3-7years old), but that was for difficulty with lots of blends and substitutions. He was "fronting". Quite a few of my first graders struggle with th. I have mentioned it to their parents to watch for next year if it doesn't improve. My son is 9 now and he can finally do all his sounds, except "th". He doesn't qualify for speech again because it's just one sound. We are working on it a lot at home, but I do really wish he would qualify... I wish you the best of luck with the new school year. I am glad she is getting her speech help early. :)
She is too old to retain. She needs to go to first grade.
You are doing the right thing by changing schools. There is something wrong with a school that will allow what you have described.
You need to get your daughter tutored all summer. She could make great strides if she had one, without all this hulabaloo to have to worry about. There are plenty of first grade teachers who would LOVE to be hired for tutoring work. Avail yourself of it. Even if you have to eat beans all summer, do it.
Back to changing schools - if it's possible, do NOT tell the new teacher about your daughter's class. She needs to see your daughter's real ability and not judge her for what you have said. If you have gotten her tutoring over the summer, THAT ability is what she will see if you haven't filled her head with dread over your daughter's past year.
If it turns out that you can't change schools, then you should become the room mother in the new class. The first grade teachers in that school need all the help they can get to bridle this class of kids who have not been taught how to act in school. You might think that this isn't your job, but it is in your daughter's best interest to become involved.
Have the new school test your daughter the week before school starts. I will bet that after a PEACEFUL summer working with the tutor, they will be happy to start her in first grade.
Please pardon me for saying this, but I don't understand why you allowed this, K.. You purposely didn't go back in this crazy zoo of a class because it was too much for you, but you have left your daughter in this place. You should have been screaming at the superintendent and school board over this. NONE of these kids can be successful in an environment like this. The teacher needs to be fired, as well as the principal.
I would even pull her out now and homeschool her before allowing this to continue any further. What she is in NOW is just destructive babysitting.
I wouldn't retain her either. It sounds like there isn't anything some tutoring over the summer can't help.
Yikes! I'm so sorry you're going through this. I think you are doing everything right. Go ahead and send your daughter to that private school, but make sure they evaluate her so you agree on her grade placement.
Having six disruptive kids in a kindergarten class is total insanity. My daughter has only one disruptive kid in her class, and I'm sure he is shaving years off the kindergarten teacher's life.
I am a person who is highly against private school. I don't like it, never will...however, if I were you, I would totally get my kid out of this school she's in and send her to private school. Sounds like she's not getting the attention she needs. She won't get it in first grade either. Poof through the crack she goes. Definitely don't let that happen.
Okay, you've gotten a lot of responses and I see you are not holding your child back. I had to put in my two cents. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. No way retain that child. Absolutely send her to first grade. I tutor children in 1st grade and we are 6 weeks to the end of the year. The child I work with has parents that do not speak English. English is his second language and he is STILL having trouble with sight words. He WILL be moved to 2nd grade.
I believe you probably don't even need a tutor. You could probably gently work 10 minutes a day with your daughter to get her up to speed. Don't hold her back. Social issues count too. She will catch up.
I would request in writing that the school test her on everything again after break and that it be done in a quiet environment not the classroom. Mention the classroom has been noisy and chaotic on occasions when you visited. Also have the tutor test her so you have a comparison. Unfortunately if the school has made up their mind you may be better off putting her in the private school.
I started school young. My birthday is late December and I started K at 4.5. I ended up moving schools and doing fist grade twice. But even so I was almost the age of your daughter when I was held back (turning 7 my second time through 1st grade). Holding her back at her age doesn't make that much sense.
My son is in K as well and doesn't pronounce all his sounds perfectly either. There was mention of ST but nothing came of it as far as I know. He is improving as he gets older and it has little impact on his academic progress.
It is always a tough situation to determine whether repeating a grade is in the best interest of a child or not. If reading/writing are her only concerns, I would be hesitant to retain her. Many kids cannot read until they are 7+, but our schools seem to be pushing it at 5 and 6.
If I were you I would ask for your child to be tested again in a private environment (not in classroom chaos). She has the right to uninterrupted testing. Was she tested for the private school?
I think a lot can change in 4 months. Many kids regress over the summer so the beginning of first grade would likely be review. If your daughter keeps up with tutoring over the summer, she will probably continue to improve rather than regress.
I totally understand your frustration with this situation. Hopefully you can use this as a learning experience for you to make sure your daughter doesn't fall through the cracks again.
My kids both went to 1st grade barely knowing all their letters (upper case they did, but lower case they did not). There were kids in Kindergarten with them that were fluent readers. The chaos you describe sound AWEFUL. My girls are both very sensitive and would have been overwhelmed in that environment just to take in all the noise and sights, let alone actually learn anything.
My 15 year old is now an honor student in highschool, my 12 year old (while also dyslexic) is mostly A and B student. The school systems are notorious and experts at delaying and delaying since if they shove the problem into the future it may fall on someone else's budget. YOU NEED TO ADVOCATE FOR YOUR CHILD AND SPEAK UP. Write down dates, get "received" stamped copies of letter if you drop them off, there are laws regarding the timeliness with which a school system has to respond to requests for testing.
So I would say don't hold her back. If she is bored now, repeating the grade will only make her more bored and either tune out or act out, either of which will likely make the school tell you she has AD(H)D!!!
Retention doesn't "fix" academic delays... it will help children who are chronologically or socially "young" to mature and gain the behavioral and social skills needed to successful navigate school.
If the sole reason the school recommended retention had to do with her ability to retain sight words... another year in Kindergarten isn't going to "fix" that. If there are other reasons (sweet and compliant are wonderful, but they aren't really "learning behaviors") then you could consider it.
If this was my child, I would have addressed the classroom management issues and the lack of ST in October with the principal. That's not setting a good pathway for the next 5 years at that school... if the principal was truly unaware of what was going on in the room... even worse.
I would definitely try a different setting first. If there are still learning issues in the private school, then address them directly without all of the other "distractors". Do be aware, though, that if she has learning needs (including langauge needs), you will have to get involved with the public school again to access those services unless you want to go through your insurance.
Yes, this is an emotional situation and you are right to ask all these questions. Retention is hard. Generally I am not for it, but each case is different. I do agree that based on your story here it doesn't seem like A should repeat, partially because she is on the older end of the spectrum. It's possibly a maturity issue and if it is, it's likely you will see great improvement over the summer months (that is if you continue reading and doing math at least a little bit!).
I was also going to suggest getting a second opinion of sorts. What does her tutor think? That would be an excellent resource. I also agree that it isn't unreasonable to ask for your daughter to be retested if the results from those are what the decision is being primarily based upon. I would like to add though that remember you are getting information from a 6 y/o and it won't be entirely accurate! I know you've experience the classroom first hand and it appears a bit chaotic but have you spent a lot of time in K classrooms in general? Maybe you are overreacting a tiny bit and the stress over wheather or not your daughter is going to be retained is making it worse and making you pick apart everything more than normal. I'm just saying, it's a possibility.
Sending her to private school may be the best option, especially if your daughter will thrive better in a smaller setting etc. If you are financially stable enough then it is absolutely an option to look into...however, I caution against you choosing private school b/c you are unhappy about this particular situation. If your other 3 kids have gone through this schoool and beyond then maybe you need to work it out with them, or at least continue trying. It's good she will be getting speech therapy now, but I did wonder what happened in the interim? Did you ask why it hadn't begun, etc.?
This is a tough situation, I hope you work it out.
Move her to 1st grade, continue the tutoring to get her up to speed and try another teacher if necessary. Your compliant child is not able to learn in that chaotic environment and because of that, she is overlooked and no special attention is given to her. You should also practice at home the weak points with her. Each child learns differently and you have to tap into what works for her, since you know your child best. Don't have her repeat K. She doesn't appear dull, she seem unmotivated.
No, the classroom she was in could simply be a repeat of the same behaviors. I would move her up, especially since she is so smart. I would demand they do the speech therapy for her if it is their responsibility, and it sounds like it is part of the services the school district can supply, ours does too.
To me it sounds like she is being punished for being in a class that is out of control.
No one can learn in that environment.
I would continue with the work you personally are taking care of. There will be mental growth in abundance from ages 5-7 and she will need to be challenged or those growth spurts will not be to the fullest amount. Keep her with her age group.
FYI, my grandson's Pre-K class is much like what you are describing and he is one of "those" kids. At Christmas Break they had one teacher and one paraprofessional aid. After Christmas they had 2 new paraprofessional aids and their main job was to manage those children who were making it impossible for the teacher to teach. They work all day long and only manage 5-6 of the class. The teacher manages the rest and all of those kids are at the top of the class.
The ones that the helpers are working with are getting IEP's next year if their behavior has remained the same, they will keep a close eye on them the first few months of the school year and see if they are still acting up. IF they are not acting the same they will just be normal kids with no IEP's.
