Question for Administrators of a School District

Updated on September 30, 2012
S.C. asks from Los Angeles, CA
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Preferably, this question is for any Superintendant of HR or district Administrator that might be a member of this site.

This question is actually for my friend who's a substitute teacher (she's not a mom, so she doesn't use this site)

She starting subbing long-term (a 2-month gig) for this SDC class and got the feeling that she may have done something wrong to offend the school's Principal but doesn't know how to approach this. She actually has NO CLUE what she may have done. But her gut tells her that something doesn't feel right.

Well, long story short. Not really short - please bare with this. She was asked by the classroom teacher (who's on maternity leave) if she could talk to the district Supervisor/Administrator in charge of Special Education to add one more instructional aide into the class as this is a very high needs/severe class.

In that email conversation, she happened to also mentioned (besides reasons why the class needed one more adult body) ...that there was also a classroom mom who just requested to come into the class to observe. She was just making the case that parents may be concerned with the student/teacher ratio - due to the high-level need. She mentioned it only in brief (in passing/not really discussing any details). More like, "oh yea..so and so's mom wants to visit next week to observe...that should be interesting" etc.

She had actually received an email from the school's PRINCIPAL (that morning) informing her of this mom's scheduled visit (which was PRIOR to her email conversation with the District Adminstrator).

Well, shortly after, the District Administrator sent an email to the Principal saying that she was just informed (by the Substitute) about a parent scheduled visit and requested to know the specific time and date (she CC'd the substitute/my friend).

After that email, my friend said she sensed a strange vibe from the Principal that she did something wrong (and even the Special Ed. Administrator). She felt that perhaps the Principal may felt that she over-stepped her boundaries somehow and may be telling the Administrator some untrue things about her (my friend).

Because they made a visit to the classroom that day and started telling her how certain things are "not her job". Please know that these are things that has nothing to do with her email conversation about an additional Aide. In fact, she received a very warm response from the District Administrator about looking into the situation further and will see if there is a justifiable reason for more help. And this was right before that email about the mom visit.

It's stuff like how a student has a certain chewing habit (with material things) and how my friend/the sub doesn't need to be concerned with that - it's not her job; since there are people to handle that. Then the very next day, the Principal started wanting to exclude her from staff meeting, but "redirecting" her to other tasks. My friend said that prior to this, everything was great between her and the adminstrators. Even the day before, she received a very warm email from the Principal showing her appreciation.

My friend really has no clue what she could have done wrong. She has no problem apologizing if she indirectly offended anyone, but she is more afraid that her integrity and dignity is being compromised by people's misunderstanding (and by her staying there if she is not feeling welcomed). Just know that she came into this assignment under very desperate circumstances (on the District's part). It is a tough class, and the previous sub did not work out. It was a big issue for the administration. So she knows they need her there.

Is there any advice for my friend in dealing with this? She is afraid of any backlash. She doesn't mind giving her notice and just moving on. But she doesn't want to "abandon" the class and compromise her integrity. Would talking to the Principal help? Where should she start/ what to say? Should she talk to District HR confidentially - is there such a thing? But she doesn't want to stir any problems.

Well, if you have any advice, please share. Thanks!

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T.W.

answers from Syracuse on

I am not an administer but have taught in a school. If I were her, I would ask to set up a meeting with the principal rather than email. I would just be upfront and say, "I hope I didn't overstep my boundaries because of X,Y and Z." And then see where the conversation goes. She can also state why she feels she needs the aide. She should keep in mind that it's not as simple as just putting in the request and getting the aide, there's a lot that goes into determining this.

The teacher who left on maternity leave put the sub in an awkward position by having her ask for an additional aide. The actual teacher is the one who should have put in this request along with her reasons why...and it probably should have been done before she went on maternity leave. I think the request may have been taken better by the actual teacher.

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M.M.

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First and foremost, she is not a full time employee nor an official employee of the district. She way over stepped her bounds by contacting anyone. That should have been done by the classroom teacher. The naivety of your friend is unfortunate but lacked common sense. Districts do not hold subs and long term subs in high regard. I was one for 3 years - little to no respect except from the team I was directly working with. Principals have no reason to even have a conversation with a sub much less deal with them on a basis such as this.

To your question, a groveling conversation with the principal would be in order but NOT w/ HR or anyone at admin.

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M.P.

answers from Pittsburgh on

You don't have to be an administrator of a school to see that your friend way overstepped her bounds. She should have spoken to the principal before any communication with the administrator. I also think it seems like the teacher might have set her up to do something that is not really the place of a teacher -going above the principals head to get additional staff. The teacher might have seen this as a sneaky way to get the district involved in her classroom situation. At any rate-she is just a sub and should have realized the pecking order. At the very least talk to the principal FIRST before going above his head.
The only way to possibly fix this is to make a sincere and humble apology to the principal about this -saying that she did not realize what she was doing and just going on what she thought that she was supposed to do per the classroom teacher.

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B.C.

answers from Norfolk on

Why did the teacher on maternity leave ask her to do this?
She got the ball rolling on this by asking the sub to stir the pot on her behalf and the sub will take all the flack from it.
Chain of command is important in any organization and I think the teacher figured a way to do an end run around the principal by asking a naive newcomer to do something the teacher would have got in trouble for had she done it herself.
Talking to the principal might help if she can apologize (she realizes now that she over stepped her bounds, it won't happen again) and successfully lay the blame on the teacher who told her to do this.
Talking to anyone else would only make things worse.

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I.G.

answers from Seattle on

Oh boy, so she went and talked to a district supervisor about needing another person in the classroom. That means that she circumvented the chain of command, she basically skipped the principal in this conversation.
The proper way would have been to notify the principal of the teacher's request for another aide and let him take it up with the district or allocate someone already at the school. Yeah, that would be a big no-no.

Just imagine you are a someone's boss (aka principal) and your subordinate goes over your head to your boss (aka district supervisor) and tells them they need help. Basically that is implying that YOU (the principal) aren't doing your job AND next time the supervisor contacts you, you won't have any idea what is going on. Most people would be offended over this.

I the principal is typically reasonable and approachable and she feels confident about it, I would schedule a meeting and apologize for overstepping my boundaries and assure that it won't happen again.

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K.B.

answers from Tulsa on

When I was a sub , a principal asked me to do her dirty work. She wanted me to write up a boy so he would be suspended and the parents could not take it out on the teacher. I refused. It was an inappropriate request and when the parents got a lawyer, my reputation would have been trashed. I stayed out of it.

Chain of command. She is the SUB and the teacher is using her. I would move on after this assignment,

Is she trying to get a fulltime job? She has NO chance at this school and maybe not at this district.

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G.B.

answers from Oklahoma City on

Here's what I got out of this post.

The friend basically got the principle in the dog house with the admin and is annoyed with your friend about it. Rightly so I would imagine, they might have been blind sided by the admin calling up and wanting more information about this parent's concerns and why they hadn't been addressed. The principle might have been planning on bringing it up in a more timely manner in a way the admin would be more receptive or something.

It happens. I would tell her to simply to put it down as a learning experience. Not to do that anymore.

I would also tell her if she gets a quiet moment with the principle to ask her if she can have a word with her then try to bring up that she felt uncomfortable passing on messages from the teacher to others and ask the principle how she should handle it next time it happens. That puts the original action back on the teacher and shows the sub/friend didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. This may make a huge difference to the principle. It's different that saying "I feel tension between us since I sent that message to the admin, how can we fix this?". That makes the blame hers and basically says "You're acting oddly towards me". The way I suggested makes it an "I could use some advice" type of situation instead.

The teacher is quite able to pass on her own message to the people who are responsible for her classroom needs. She is communicating with the sub so she has the ability to communicate with others too.

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R.M.

answers from San Francisco on

I'm not an administrator but I have worked a lot in schools.

If I understand the situation correctly, your friend told the district admin. that the class needed another aide.

First of all, the teacher shouldn't have told her to say that. The teacher should have done it herself. It is not a sub's place to tell admins or principals that another employee is needed. The teacher has a phone and a computer, -- she could easily have relayed the message herself, even while on maternity leave.

I have always found that the direct route is the best. She should go to the principal, and tell him/her that she feels like she did something wrong, and she would like to clear it up. She should make it clear that she was only relaying the teacher's message.

One time, years ago, something like that happened to me. My direct supervisor told me to tell our boss that we needed something (can't remember what), so I did, and my boss got mad at me, because she felt it wasn't my place to be telling her that. The woman who was my supervisor sat there and didn't fess up and tell our boss that she had told me to say that, so I took the brunt of it.

Anyway, just tell her to talk directly to the principal and apologize, while letting the principal know that she was only relaying the teacher's message.

What Ina and B. (and everyone else) said. Chain of command. This one's pretty obvious.

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R.H.

answers from Houston on

The substitute is dirt to the principal now. Move on sister. Even an apology is too little too late.

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