My Aging Grandfather... My Whole World...Need Help and Advice...

Updated on August 28, 2012
N.D. asks from Middletown, OH
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I'm worried about my grandfather, and I am looking for suggestions on how to help him improve his poor circulation. I don't know what I'm doing, and I don't even know if it's already too late or not. He's having tests next week to see how bad his circulation is, but the doctor seemed concerned. I feel like I have to learn everything overnight, and I'm trying, but it's overwhelming.
I was concerned that he was having a heart attack on Tuesday because of severe pain in his left arm, so anyway, that landed us in the doc's office on Wednesday. He didn't have a heart attack, but his doctor was very concerned about the circulation in his legs. He mentioned that if my grandfather doesn't stop smoking, he will have to have his legs amputated. He said stop smoking and start walking. Then he told me about his carotids.
So, since then, I've been massaging my grandfather's legs every night and going to walk with him to make sure he's doing it. My grandfather couldn't walk to the end of his drive-way without needing to stop for a rest on the first night. He was in so much pain, but I felt like I had to keep pushing him to keep going after each rest. I'm not going to let him lose his legs, but I don't want to push him too far or too hard either. I don't understand his pain, so it makes it really difficult for me to know if I'm hurting him. I don't know what he is feeling, and I don't want to hurt him. I don't know what sensations he is having. He has always been a tough prideful person, and will not talk about pain. He will stop when he can't go anymore, but he won't tell me what he's feeling when he stops. He's the type of man who can cut himself open and then stitch himself back up without even flinching. I don't know if he's pushing himself too far, even. I don't want to cause more damage, but I can't do nothing and just let him lose his legs either.
I am looking for cookbooks, natural remedies, home remedies, and anything/everything. Has anyone experienced this? When is it too late to do anything about it? Will massage make it better or worse? My grandfather is my whole world. Words can't explain how much he means to me. He always told me growing up, that one day I would be the one driving him around and taking care of him. In my mind, I always knew that what he was saying made logical sense but I never really believed that the time would ever come for me to be putting his shoes on and picking him up off of the floor. It's here, and I'm honored to be the one doing it… but I'm scared, and it's breaking my heart… and I want to keep him for as long as I can. So, please, if you have any suggestions or knowledge at all for how I can make him as comfortable as possible while also pushing him to improve his situation let me know. If you don't have the time, please say a short prayer for him or send positive energy his way.
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E.S.

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I'm not an expert, but my sister has been taking massage classes and she is concerned because in one of the classes it talked about how you shouldn't do a massage on a person who has heart problems, such as if the person has problems breathing if they lay flat on their back. My mom has mentioned that she sleeps propped up, so my sister is worried because she's given her massages. Anyway, I would wait to talk to the doctor before you continue.

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R.K.

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I would talk to his doctor about setting him up for physical and occupational therapy. Taking him to a place where he is taught how to strengthen himself and exercise by professionals will help a lot. I'm not saying he doesn't respect your word on this but he will take it better from a trained professional. Medicare should cover the expense.

I don't know about the massage. Try having him do ankle rotations --10 right --10 -- left move his feet up (toes to the knee) as far as he can then down toes to floor as far as he can. Have him pick up marbles or small pebbles (available at the dollar store) with his toes. By moving his feet he will increase the circulation in his legs. Start with one session a day work up to 3-4 sessions per day. Putting his feet up (higher than his hips) so laid back in a Lazy Boy type recliner for a few hours in he evening will help to take the stress off the veins in his legs and help if he has any issues with water retention.

I think the best advice I can give you is that you, his doctor, and a physical/occupational therapist become a team and work together to improve his health.

Now for the part you do not want to hear:

In the end it is his decision. I almost drove myself batty taking care of my Mom. She refused to listen and in the end got sicker and sicker with congestive heart disease until she passed in December. You will have to come to peace with the idea that he will only do what he wants to do. He will quit smoking and start exercising when he is ready or he won't do it at all. You need to understand that all of the "I love you's" and "I need you's" are not going to work to get him going if he chooses not to do what he needs to do to get healthy again.

I wish only the best for you and I sincerely hope you can get him going.

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J.P.

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Inositol helps to literally remove placing from the arteries. Vitamin C with bioflavinoids helps with strengthening vessel walls, so does fish oil. Fish oil also naturally thins the blood. Of course, staying healthy is a better idea trying to reverse a disease process. I'm not sure if anything will reverse the damage faster than the disease he is causing by smoking.

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A.T.

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Technically, you can not do anything for another week. Before you can begin to help him, you have to fully understand what is going on or whatever you try, may be harmful. Wait for his tests to be done and you have a diagnosis. Once that is in place both you and his doctor can come up with a plan of attack. The smoking is key.....he has to stop, or all you will attempt to do will be futile. Start there and offer him the electric cigarettes. He is old school it seems (cut himself open and stitch himself up) and he may be able to do it cold turkey, but if not, you will have to wean him off it. At this moment, this is the only way you can begin. I would not advise you to excercise or massage as you do not know what you are dealing with. YOu should also prepare yourself for the stubborness you will face. I do Eldercare and have found that they ultimately make the decisions regardless of what you do or say. It is a completely different mentality that is approached by them, depending on what is going on emotionally, mentally and physically. Good luck. My prayers are with you, as I know how hard this can be. .

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T.A.

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I'm curious to see what others have to say, I'm going through the same thing! My grandpa and grandma adopted my sister and I, and grandma passed two years ago, so my grandpa is my whole world too! I don't live close enough to spend as much time with him as I'd like, so you're lucky to have that.

My grandpa did have a heart attack this year, and now they've fixed his internal bleeding problem so next is his heart and legs, they want to do stints which should increase the circulation. Massage helped when his were swollen. Pm me anytime!

T.

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K.I.

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I am not seeing the other comments so forgive me if i repeat someone. You're doing great sweetie. Walk with him even if it's 5 or ten minutes. Whatever he tolerate. Consider getting a cane and remind him the suave gene Kelley used them. The only other thing I can think is whirlpools can really help. I know most folks can't afford a jacuzzi, so go look at bATH and body works for one of those bath tub spas. may complain he doesn't like taking baths, but , remind him it will help his circulation and it will help any pain he has in his legs. It's a well used treatment for circulation problems. I will pray for you! Good luck hun
Just editing to say worked for years in a nursing home both as a c.n.a.and as a medication aide. massage is used along with walking and the whirlpool baths for circulation issues. You're the right track!;-)

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I'm sorry you are facing this. So many of us do, though I'm sure you feel quite alone in this. However, you need to use less emotions right now and use more intellect instead, for your grandfather's sake. It worries me that you don't know what you are doing, but are doing something anyway. You may be making things worse. Stop massaging him until you are told to do it.

Your grandfather made the decision long ago to smoke. He knows it is bad for his health. You love him and want him to live forever. That is totally understandable. But you must come to a place in your heart and mind where you know that he has some real health issues, some of them caused by cigarettes, and he is not a young man.

He needs to listen to the doctor's advice. He needs to stop smoking. You need to learn what to do to help him and not just make this stuff up as you go. Part of what you will be doing is pallative care. Some of it is controlling his diet if you are cooking for him. Toileting and bathing are the other parts.

You could go by a nursing home and ask if you could shadow a nurse for a day so that you can see how she helps patients. You can also see what aides they use to help them. There are places you can buy medical supplies - seats to put in the tub or shower that he can sit on to be washed, handles that can be used in the bathroom, seats to sit on top of the toilet, etc. Watching them work with elderly people will give you ideas on how to help him. You can also watch an occupational therapist help someone get out of a bed or chair. That's important not only for your grandfather - it's important for YOU. If you do it wrong, you can throw your back out. You don't want to throw your back out - trust me on that...

If you are picking your grandfather up off the floor, there is a serious problem, and you need to pay attention to the implications. First, why is it happening? Is he tripping? Is he losing consciencness first? Is he giving out and just can't stand up? What would help? A walker? A wheelchair? Oxygen?

You MUST work with the doctor to ascertain why he is falling. The next time you go to pick him up off the floor, he might have a broken hip. Falls are very dangerous for old people. It's the beginning of the end for many of them.

You cannot be the only one taking care of him. You need time to take care of yourself and your own life. You need to be able to shop and do the banking and if you work, that's a whole other ball of wax. You can go to social services and get him some help. Don't see that as abdicating your responsibility. See that as part of your responsibility - getting him help. It's really important.

You need to talk to him about a medical power of attorney. As hard as it is to talk about dying and being on life support/breathing tubes and having his chest cracked open, you HAVE to talk about it. You need to know what he wants. It's his chest. It's his breathing. It's HIM who will be in a hospital bed with machines keeping him alive. Does he want to live that way? Don't wait until he can't talk to you. Don't make these decisions on your own. Discuss it now. Put it in a living will - the hospital can give you one. Does he want a DNR? Find out exactly how far you can go without violating the DNR. A medical power of attorney will make it so that you can work with the doctors on your grandfather's behalf to carry out HIS wishes.

You also need to talk about a financial power of attorney. Does he have a will? Dying intestate is a terrible burden on his surviving family members. He doesn't want to do that to you. Where are all of his assets? Do you know where all his accounts are? How about his taxes? At some point he won't be able to handle his business anymore. You will need to be able to pay his bills for him, access his bank account, act for him. That requires a financial power of attorney.

One thing that is SO hard to do is to write an obituary. It's doubly hard to write it right after your loved one has passed away. You may feel that talking about his last wishes for the funeral home is morbid. It isn't. It's necessary. It's a way of sharing. Go to the funeral home he wants to use and and ask for their packet. Go over it with him. Even down to the songs he wants the organ to play, talk about it. He may even want to write his own obit. You can get as much done as possible and give it to the funeral home to put in his file. You should also have all his life insurance papers, policy numbers, and phone numbers together, and know who shows as the owner, and know who the beneficiaries are. Most of the time, the funeral home will take care of handling all the paperwork for getting the life insurance. It is a blessing for them to do that for you right after losing a loved one.

How do I know all this, NJD? Because I've been there. More than once too. Have my mom and I gone through this conversation? Yes. I even have her obit. Thank goodness. She and I stayed up all night to write Daddy's. And I had just gotten off a plane from flying for 16 hours from overseas. I don't want to go through that again with her. She wrote it herself and put in there what she thought was important. And yes, there's a file with all of her important information at the funeral home she has chosen. We have already picked out and paid for all her cemetary choices as well.

It will still be hard, but it won't be AS hard because she chose to plan in advance.

I know this isn't what you wanted to hear right now, but I don't know if you will ever ask again, or if anyone will talk to you about it. I promise that at some point, you will want someone to have told you.

And yes, I'm sending prayers and positive energy your way. At least you are with him - I was overseas when my father died.

Dawn

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C.B.

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I am so sorry you have having to go through this. I love that you think of it as an "honor" to help your grandfather. So many don't think of it that way.

I, of course, am not a doctor, but it seems to me that the more stimulation in his legs, the better the circulation will be. I think the problem may be that his heart is not pumping strong enough to get the blood circulated through his legs and feet.

You might get a hand held massager and have grandpa massage his legs when he's sitting down. Also, I would think that it might help if he keeps his legs elevated when he sits rather than hanging down.

That's about all I can think. Just keep massaging and keep the legs as active as possible.

Good luck to you and yours. I will say a prayer for you and your grandfather.

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M.K.

answers from Columbus on

Well, as soon as my eyes dry up I can comment....

First, I love that you are doing this and that you feel "honored" to take care of your Grandfather. Most grandkids wouldn't!!

Second, he sounds like my Daddy. When he was in the hospital he'd be in pain and I would ask why he didn't ask for something..."oh, I didn't want to bother anyone!" Arg!!!!

I would talk to the doctor. He should be able to recommend a nutritionist and he quite possibly could "order" physical therapy thereby insurance would help cover it. Hospitals usually have programs also; you might check with them.

Good luck and God bless you!!! Prayers coming your way!!!

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