Moving Abroad

Updated on February 19, 2013
J.G. asks from Chicago, IL
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So it's looking like we may end up in Sinapore. I have mixed feelings about this (I'm a home body that hates change!), and I'm a planner, so I'm trying to envision things in my head. If we go, we will go for 5-8 years.

I have a few question:

1. what do you take with you when you do a temporary relocation abroad? Obviously we can't take all of our stuff, but I can't imagine living for 8 years without MY STUFF. How does this work? I mean, I will have three little people, including a baby, and we homeschool! They have tons of books and things that they will need.

2. For those of you who have gone on work transfers of this nature, how many "visits home" did the company pay for?

3. Were living costs handled on top of salary?

Thanks!

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We have family friends located in Singapore now and they LOVE it. we visited once already and hope to go again. They have two kids who are in American school and doing great. THey got all moving expenses paid for....necessary things were air shipped, other things came 30 days later by boat. Their home is paid for and they do not need to have a car. THey pay for a live in nanny on their own dime, but it is cheap. i say go for it...you will not regret it!

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J., I envy you. Singapore is TERRIFIC. What is important is that you have appropriate and decent housing provided - ON TOP OF SALARY. You do NOT want to live in a crackerjack box - your husband should be treated as an executive high enough in his station regarding housing. Don't accept a position without this.

You should have a Cost of Living Adjustment. Do NOT accept a local package. You need an expat package. You should have tax help as a perk, including tax equalization IF it is to your benefit (it might be better to just pay Singapore taxes if they cost you less. They should have a tax preparer working with you and tell you what is best for you.) It would be appropriate for them to allow you to join one of the many clubs - for instance, the Singapore American Club. Your husband should be talking to them about getting you a family membership. Considering the time you are talking about living there, the company would probably end up making money on the membership when they sell it after you repatriate.

Usually there is a clause that says that if you leave the posting within the first year, you have to pay back all the moving costs. However, you should ask them to add that if your husband DIES in the first year, that you are EXEMPTED from paying this back. They may "say" that this doesn't include death. That's nice. Tell them to put it in WRITING. Moving you over there can cost upwards of 6 figures and you don't want to have to be worrying about this, ever.

You need to take a look/see over there after the baby is born. Look at apartments/houses. I recommend a house over an apartment, quite honestly. If you find something you like, you can take measurements and know what furniture will fit and what stuff will fit. (That's what I did.) The closer in you are to the expensive part of the city (and the subway system), the more expensive and smaller the houses are. You need room for your family - don't let the company give you a small housing allowance. Your husband should have an idea of what decent housing costs are and know what the housing allowance is, and not accept this job unless they give you a big enough housing allowance.

If they are difficult with you about this, he should try to negotiate this with them because you are planning on homeschooling the kids, and they won't have to pay for an international school for them (which is quite expensive, by the way.) You could also use THAT as an "in" to getting a club membership. (He shouldn't bring that up first - only use that if he needs to!)

You may think that you don't need a club membership. You need to put that thought away, and I don't mean maybe. Meeting other Americans and other expats is PARAMOUNT to you acclimating to your new home overseas. You need to have friends. Your children need to have friends. It is hard to just meet the local people. I know what I'm talking about. Please believe me when I tell you this. Since you won't be a PTA mom and have your kids in the international schools, you NEED a club membership. This is where they will have pool access, a place to meet with other children, etc. They have a women's group that will help you figure out where to take the children for field trips and trips for you to enjoy as well.

Home visits are based, usually, on hardship. I would doubt that Singapore is high up on the "misery scale", like for instance, India. Singapore is probably one paid trip home a year. India, in comparison, is probably 4 trips out of the country per year. Perhaps the compensation package says that you can either have business tickets for each member of the family, OR you can get paid 75% of that in cash in order to buy your own ticket. That's what we did when living overseas, and we'd fly coach instead of business class so that we could use the rest of the money to go on vacations. You will want to get all the frequent flyer miles you can - that's really important so that you can start accruing them.

Before your husband accepts the job, you both need to read the compensation package. Will they sell your home? If they won't, you may need to consider renting it out. If you don't bring everything with you, will they store some of your belongings? If they don't, you'll have to figure out what to do with them.

You also need to know what the company will do for you in terms of a CAR. You will need to be able to drive. Your husband will need a car too. You cannot just assume that you'll take taxis. Taxis are hard to find during busy times of the day. I really mean that. Cars are VERY EXPENSIVE because you have to pay a freakingly HIGH fee in order to have one, on top of the cost of the car. The reason for this is that Singapore is a small island and the government doesn't want it to be totally overun with cars. So it costs a small fortune to have them. But you just CANNOT be expected to live life there without a car. The company should do this for you.

Moving like this can "free" you of too many belongings. It can be a gigantic pain in the rear, I know from experience. However, once you get through all your "stuff" and let go of the extras, life is easier. The company will tell you how many pounds and how much space in a sea container you can bring. I hope that it's a 40 foot container - that's a "normal" household (not large, but not tiny.) Perhaps this is something you can negotiate too, since they are talking about such a long assignment. You need to bring the stuff for your kids, like your books, baby stuff, etc. What you buy in the states is probably cheaper, to be honest. Take as much as you can with you. What I did was bring back every year in as many suitcases as I was allowed to carry, all the stuff that was too small for my kids (I gave it to a family back home who needed help) and the books and toys my younger one grew out of. That gave me plenty of room in my suitcases, coming back, with new clothes, etc. Make sure you take your photo albums, your silverware (it takes time to learn to eat with chopsticks) tampons, (their's are different and smaller), your DVD player (theirs won't play US based DVD's), US medicine, like over-the-counter stuff, and whatever the company will allow you to bring from your pantry.

I want you to know that I got my sea shipment in 6 weeks, J.. I do not think that you will have to worry about not getting your stuff in a timely manner. Asia handles this very well. You very well may have an air shipment, as well. We had 500 pounds in an air shipment and I put stuff in it that I needed right away.

Don't say "no" to hiring a domestic helper to come in and clean and cook for you, J.. It won't cost you all that much, and will make your life a lot easier. It's not easy living in a foreign country. Part of your job is to figure out HOW to live there. You can't do that if you are doing all the cleaning, cooking, teaching and rearing of your children. Accept help.

Your husband will most likely have a secretary who will be helping him. Accept her help, too. There will be lot's of things that need to be done. She can make a big difference for you.

IF you have the right kind of deal going into this (never, ever assume that they'll change the deal after you agree to go), you could put back some good money to help put your children though college, if you don't spend too much having great vacations. If you don't have a Cost of Living Allowance and housing allowance, you cannot afford to live there. The last thing you want to do is go live in a foreign country and be strapped. One of the reasons people do this is so that they can be fairly compensated for the hardship and difficulty of living in a place so foreign.

Good luck!
Dawn

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E.B.

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We did it twice, each time for 2 1/2 years. One move was to an upscale, glorious, historic European city and the second was to an impoverished, drug-ridden, third-world remote Caribbean island. At the time of the first move my kids were quite young (youngest wasn't in school yet) and during the second, they were high school and middle school aged.

It was invaluable. They have friends from many continents. They were enriched. They learned. They experienced things that most kids will never see or hear or enjoy. Their education went far beyond any math or history or any other traditional school course.

I homeschooled while we were on the first trip. My decision was based on the belief that I could catch them up on some school subjects if necessary, later, when we returned. But I could never replace the experience of living in a new country. Our homeschooling was quite relaxed. I made sure my son (the oldest child) read books, and I did some basic math with him, but a lot of our "schooling" was taking trips (sometimes to big cathedrals, sometimes just to a small cafe or grocery store), learning the culture, trying the foods, guessing how the toaster oven worked (the only instructions were in an Arabic language and it didn't look like any toaster that I had ever seen), learning the language, meeting the local people, etc. That was far more valuable than keeping up with the traditional lessons.

Yes, when we returned, I had to get my son a short math catch-up class, but it was quick and easy. Other than that, his skills were on par with his peers, and his social skills were wonderful.

And we did live without our stuff. Our first Christmas in the Caribbean was just 2 days after we arrived. We didn't know either of the two languages spoken on the island. Our Christmas tree was some cheap beads thrown on a potted palm tree. The night before, my husband ran out and got a tv and video game system because there wasn't a tv anywhere in the house (it was "furnished", meaning it came with the basics like beds and chairs and a table). There weren't any other gifts. We walked around the village and went swimming. But we all agreed it was a great day. We made the decision in both cases to not travel on day trips to see other sites, but instead to completely immerse ourselves where we were, and to not become tourists flitting from here to there, and to see every facet of where we were.

The kids adapted just great. They didn't miss their stuff. During the first trip, they experienced the wealth and beauty of an ancient European city. During the second trip they saw unspeakable poverty and depravity that was beyond our imaginations. The first trip, we could get anything we wanted, and we did buy some fun toys for the kids from time to time. The second trip, I had to ask my friends in the US to mail me new socks and underwear for the kids because such basics were hard to find. There were no American facilities on the island and my husband was the only US military person permanently stationed on the island, so we had no commissary or stores that most military people have access to.

I would encourage you to look into an online school that is valid in your state, and let your kids do their schooling with a computer, or else just realize that you can do some schooling in the traditional way and the rest of your kids' education will be provided by just going to stores and learning a new culture. No actual texts and bulky materials. Get an electronic reader that they can load books onto and let them read that way. (Just google "public online schools" and enroll your school age kids if you want a more structured homeschool situation).

Try not to think about your stuff, but think instead about your family. This is a fabulous possibility and a wonderful adventure. Make sure you don't communicate to your kids that you will not see your stuff for 8 years, but instead communicate how wonderful it is that your family can be together, no matter where that is. On both trips, we met just a couple of Americans, but most of our friends were from countries around the world. We found that what we needed in friends was not a nationality, just a common bond of kids and family, or people who were friendly and helpful.

Oh, and we never had any visits back to the US. Home was where our family was, and there weren't any opportunities to return during our stays abroad. We did have a couple of family members come to visit us.

Let your older kids start a scrapbook, and start making a digital scrapbook for your family that you can duplicate later for each child.

Another note: we did meet occasional Americans traveling through the countries we were living in. The sad ones?: the ones who wouldn't eat unless they could find a McDonalds, the ones who wouldn't stay in a hotel that didn't advertise American breakfasts, etc. We actually met a couple who was traveling through Europe who wouldn't enter a local restaurant for fear of the food or the money or the language barrier, and they planned their trip around being able to locate a fast food restaurant with a name they could recognize, like McDonalds or another American franchise. We felt so sorry for them. What a horrible waste. We purposely avoided all that and jumped into the local food and culture head-first, and we're glad we did. So enjoy the foods and the culture and the people. Be brave. It will teach your kids more than any books ever will.

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C.O.

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THIS IS SSSSSOOOOO EXCITING!!! At least it would be for me! Congratulations!

I am sure this is scary. I think it will be fun!!!

Five to 8 years is not "temporary"....in my book. However, we were military. So many things like packers/movers were taken care of for us. The company (in my opinion) should be paying for this.

Things you need to know before you go:

1. Electricity - does Singapore run on 110V or 220V? I believe they are 220V. So you will need adapters or transformers for things.

2. Automobile - will the company pay for one or two to be shipped?

3. What is the company going to pay for? Since we were military - we had a COLA increase in our paycheck as well as a stipend for housing...I would talk with the company and get EVERYTHING in writing that they will be paying for:

Moving - to and back, what they will move as well (cars, weight limit, etc.)
COLA - how much will they add to his paycheck to cover this?
Housing (will it be a corporate furnished home or are we on our own?) Will they assist us in finding housing if they don't have a corporate housing?

When I moved to Belgium, I took our "normal" stuff - furniture, clothes, etc. as we knew we would be living on the economy and not on base housing, so we didn't take things like blow driers, stereo equipment, TVs, etc. We did this because their electrical current is different. We knew we would be living near a military base so we could pick up these things from PCSing people.

The military paid for one round trip ticket home per year. Since we were military living overseas, we could fly Space-A (space available) on military flights.

Our HHG (household goods) were packed and shipped for us. We had a garage sale of everything we didn't want to take with us before the movers/packers came.

Cost of Living:

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?c...

Life -
http://www.asiaone.com/Business/News/My%2BMoney/Story/A1S...

http://www.guidemesingapore.com/relocation/introduction/q...

You need to get EVERYTHING in writing. Ask questions!! Have fun!!

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V.P.

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Google expats in Singapore -- there are several forums out there that will help you answer these questions (chances are really good no one here really knows). I had friends move to India with their two kids last year -- both are musicians and went to teach in an international school. I know they sold a lot of their stuff and put some in storage. You will probably find most of your stuff won't matter in 8 years. Also, they were very limited in what they could take along with them -- if you will have a computer with internet, I wouldn't worry about taking a lot of educational supplies - they won't need a ton of books if you can take things digitally.
Check out the forums for expats in Singapore and in neighboring countries.
This one may be promising:
http://www.expatsingapore.com

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X.O.

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Wow, what a cool prospect. I don't have much advice, not having any friends who relocated overseas WITH kids, but just wanted to reassure you on the shipping aspect, which is what I worked in for 4 years.

It shouldn't take too long for your household goods to arrive in Singapore, since it is a direct sailing from most US ports. Whoever arranges the ocean freight will pick the cheapest way, which will probably be a sailing from Long Beach, CA right to Singapore. 6 weeks is a very fair estimate, as they typically allow 10 days for Chicago to LGB on the train, and then about 20 days for the sailing, and additional time to clear customs in Singapore. I'd insist upon a 40' container, as you'll be moving 6 people, and a 20' isn't very realisitc. (I checked my former company's vessel schedule, and they show total transit time to be between 30-40 days, depending on whether you sail from the East or West coast).

Does Singapore allow homeschooling? I know there are a few countries that don't, but I don't know if they can apply the law to expats as well, or only to their own citizens. Just one of the many t's to make sure is crossed.

Your rent should be covered by your husband's company.

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S.H.

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Google Search "expats who live in Singapore."

And research the culture.
How one adapts or acculturates or not, will determine how you do there.
Put it this way, some people who move here to Hawaii, due to work, actually "hate" Hawaii. Why? Because bottom line is, they cannot... or will not... acculturate, here. And they don't even want to. Because, it is a different, culture. And they will not learn about it nor want to.
Adapting and acculturating...are 2 different things.

For the other questions you have per transfers/salary/trips home etc., this varies and depends on the company. They are not all the same.
You need to talk to your company about this.

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S.T.

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oh, what an amazing opportunity for a homeschool family!!
i'm SOOOOO jealous!
yes, it will be disruptive and a bit eeky, but overall it will be fabulous fabulous fabulous!
give each little person 3 precious things they can take.
don't bring all your curriculum materials. if you absolutely can't live without, say, singapore math, take one and its key, but don't drag it all there. you'll have the internet and you'll have access to purchase books and materials there. taking it all will bog you down. homeschooling is going to morph and change in wonderful and unpredictable ways when you get there. be agile and adapt with the circumstances.
it's going to rock.
you lucky homeschool mama!
:) khairete
S.

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When my friends moved to Singapore the company paid for a lot of stuff. They were there for about 4 years I think. They even paid for their housing and a staff to clean. I think that you need to make sure that your company has a written contract about what they'll pay for and what they won't pay for.

I know when my other friend moved to Germany for her husbands job they figured they'd be there for years and years so they moved all their furniture, everything. When he bought her tickets home and put them in the envelope with divorce papers she came home with nothing but her clothes. She got movers to pack up the house with what she ended up getting but it took nearly 8 months for it to get to her. So I'd say you need to put your entire household of items that you don't take in a long time storage or sell as much as you are not attached to.

You can take stuff with you, it can be shipped, but there is no guarantee how long it will take you to get it. I think that if you take all your books and school stuff that you will need to just plan on it taking a long long time. It might be more effective to sell the books to other home schoolers and then buy new once you get your address.

All the people that I know that have moved to other countries for work have had good experiences. I know people that have moved to London, Germany, Finland, Singapore, Venezuela, Bermuda, Japan, Zimbabwe (they were Baptist missionaries though), and even to Chili. So people do this all the time.

It really depends on your company and what they expect you to do. Do they expect you to rent? Sell your current home? Keep your current home but perhaps rent it out furnished so you don't have to pay high storage fees? Sell everything you own because after this post you'll go to another one in another part of the world? Or to a different state? Will they pay your living expenses plus your travel costs to visit home? Will you get an allowance for staff? Does this other country allow home schooling? Of will there be an English speaking school or governess available?

These are questions that you and hubby need to list and make an appointment with the company person that handles overseas transfers. This is a wonderful opportunity for your whole family. I do think you might want to consider letting your kids attend school in the other country though. They will completely be submerged in that culture and learn so much more so much faster.
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I agree with Dawn about the household help. These other countries can depend on big companies coming in and providing income for their country. You will be providing someone with an income to feed their family, it's not a pride thing that says you won't be able to do it for yourself, it's a way of giving something to the community you'll be living in. They need you to have them help you so they can earn money.

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M.E.

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We just did a cross country US move and the cost was close to $100,000. Assume an international move will be more expensive. I have looked into an international move and, unless you really want the foreign experience, know that it's expensive to live there. Homes are smaller and while you may have in-house help, your home, which will probably be an apartment in a highrise will be expensive - think $2400-$3000 for an apartment.There was an episode of House Hunters International on HGTV with a couple relo'ing to Singapore.

Eventhough Singapore is a fairly safe country, many of the hotels that cater to tourists are patrolled by an guy with a automatic weapon.

Personally, at my age (50), I wouldn't relo to a third world country unless the pay was significant $400,000+. But I agree that it would be a great experience.

Good-luck.

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When we moved abroad, the co paid for one home visit per year and they also paid to move all of our own stuff, and our house rental fees in addition to a monthly fluctuating amount for "goods and services", because the dollar was worth less than the Euro.

A couple of things: Try to find an expat group before you go. If you can connect with other people when you get there, it will be a huge help (finding doctors, grocery stores, making your way around town, etc.) it will also make being away from home a little easier. Your friends will be your family and the people you call on while you are there. Second, plan a couple of little trips - maybe one after three months and one about six to nine months after you arrive. This will give you something to look forward to and help with any anxiety you feel about being away from home. And don't be afraid to use your company's EAP. Companies offer counselors on the phone for a reason. Use it when you just need to talk or are having trouble. And one more thing...get a webcam and have all your family connect to Skype. A good video-chat will help you feel close to home. Good luck!

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