Is This Statement Offensive?

Things like this and rants on race make M. feel like we haven;t progessed nearly as much as we should have.

Oh and I'm on birth control and give it up to every guy who walks buy. I mean I cant get pregnant I mine as well whor it up right?
Seriously who give these people a place for their voice to be heard? It should be in the comic or entertainment section. I wish there was a section to the paper dedicated to collecting things like this. Kind of like Jay Leno's headlines but over thoughts from well educated people who have J. lost their marbles

Men only get the advantage of free, easy access to sex if women let them.
If this is an article to get men on the side the pro side of the birth control issue, it's pretty disgusting.

Honestly, and sadly, the underlying message is: We know you really don't care about the whole women's health issue. But you better start caring if you want sex. It's pathetic.

Well Good Lord, what century is this?

I like sex, Thank You Very Much. It is not a ploy to win a man, for Heaven's sake. Whether or not I'd like to get pregnant is nobody's business but mine. Well, mine and HIS, and, oh RIGHT, there is someone ELSE in the room when all these 'unwanted' pregnancies occur! A MAN! Go figure.

It's not offensive J., it's just fucking stupid.

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The whole thing is offensive to me, J.. The idea that it's the woman's job to be the one to say no and that men can walk around with their flies open and not be called on to exercise any restraint, because it's only the WOMAN'S job. The idea that unless a woman is married, she's a slut. Oh wait, maybe ANY woman, married or not, who wants help getting bc covered under insurance she is paying monthly premiums and a hefty deductible for is a prostitute for wanting insurance to cover bc like they do viagra - gee, thanks for that, big spewing poison head! That women are supposed to give their husbands sex, but tough noogies if they get pregnant and can't afford it because, again, it's HER fault that she didn't say no. That MEN are the ones sitting on that forum. That they don't want women speaking up so that THEY can control women's bodies. That women don't seem to understand how much we LOSE by voting for men who believe in this crock of dung.

Men and women should SHARE responsibility for sex. Men should be just as worried about the consequences of unprotected sex as women are. The idea that women have to bear this burden alone is insulting. And the double standard that even some WOMEN will harbor against other women is insulting. It's bad enough to have misogynistic men. To have misogynistic women is beyond the pale, but we see it every day.

Pisses me off. Can you tell?

Hugs~
Dawn

In the old days "good girls" kept their legs crossed. Men got "it" from the harlets and town whores. Those poor girls were often ostrasized and almost always left to struggle in poverty after they had the children they had little control over preventing in the first place.

The single biggest risk factor for poverty to a women is having a child. Men do not and will not care about birth control because they do not get pregnant, unless as the quote says they want to have sex with women smart enough to want access to control over their own bodies. I mean really do any of us really think otherwise?

This is about control and power. Access to basic reproductive rights are being undermined and taken away for many right now. "They" may not be able to get free birth control for long at Planned Parenthood, if the right has their way that organization will cease to exist.

I am so sick of this discussion. It's sexist and puts our whole society back decades. I'm a feminist. I think women deserve the same freedoms, opportunities and lifestyle choices as men. That means access to insurance covered birth control and all options on the table for family planning.

Isn't that what all you flag wavers want? What happened to freedom and liberty for all? Get your opinions & laws off my body. Let my girls have the most basic FREEDOM of all. The right to control there own bodies.

Well you conveniently left off the first part of the statement, which sets the appropriate context and is a clear reference to some of the more offensive rhetoric out that birth control gives women free and easy access to sex. Here's the whole quotation:

"Access to affordable family planning is key to a woman's liberty," says Annette Maxberry-Carrara, the founder of Liberal Ladies Who Lunch. "But this is also an important issue for men. American men enjoy the benefits of women making their own choices about when to get pregnant. Men get the advantage of free, easy access sex with young women of child-bearing age. It wasn't like that sixty years ago. If women can't get reliable birth control, they will just have to keep their legs crossed to prevent pregnancy--even married women. I don't think anyone wants that."

A little different message in context, no?

Why do you care if I have sex with anyone at all? Why is it that the "less government" people seem to want to peek into my bedroom at any given chance? I like sex. I liked it a LOT before I was married, too. I had a LOT of sex. If my health insurance hadn't covered it, it would have been prohibitively expensive for the type I needed and could take. As well, I had issues with ovarian cysts, which was the original reason I started on the pill at 14. Are you going to deny a 14 year old's need to take birth control so she can later have healthy pregnancies? Who are you to judge what my health care needs are? Why is it any one's business but mine and my doc's?

Think of it this way. I find IVF abhorant and immoral. Would I deny you coverage for that procedure? Nope. I just wouldn't have it done myself. All of you who "don't want to pay for someone else" have been doing so by paying into ANY insurance system for the past 50 years. Quit your blathering and go help a homeless person or something.

There are so many things about this birth control debate that I find offensive that this simply doesn't rate.

Not offensive at all when you read it IN context, as JB pointed out.

The main idea is that if men think they have the right to legislate what women do with their bodies, they'd better be prepared for the consequences--kids or no sex.

ETA: J....in this context, giving men "easy access to sex" is not about being "easy" or "sleazy" it means "easy" in the sense of sex with NO responsibility!

Well, I think it's fairly realistic, actually. Honestly, if I did not have insurance and/or my insurance did not cover birth control, my husband wouldn't be getting any nookie! We don't want more kids, and I think we all know what happens without birth control... ;)

Also, I think for some women, it's not just a matter of $9 birth control. You have to go to the doctor (and pay that bill, which could be over $100), do an exam there, and then on an ongoing basis, go back for checkups. (Right? Because being on the pill can cause blood clots, high blood pressure, all kinds of issues that do require medical checkups.) Not all women are able to take the bargain-basement brand of birth control for various reasons. Some women can't handle hormonal birth control (at all) and would then require a non-hormonal type. Bottom line, it's between a woman and her doctor, but it's a basic health care need. I don't think the rest of America should get to judge me because I, as a married woman, would like to keep having sex with my husband and NOT have any more kids. Sorry, I'm not in the camp who believes in having a gazillion kids, or who believes that sex for fun is bad. So to me, this is not offensive.

ETA: J., my meaning is that if a person does not have insurance, or only has insurance for catastrophic events, then they do have to pay for not only the medication, but the doctor visit as well. Not everyone has insurance, and the clinics that provide these services free of charge or low-cost are under attack, as we all know.

Sounds like something that Gloria Steinem would say - and low and behold! It's spoken by a liberal!

I think it's offensive even more since it was said by a W.. I think birth control is the responsibility of BOTH the man and the W.. it doesn't give ANYONE easy access to sex. That's just wrong.

And to say that no one has access to affordable birth control is ludicrous. They can get it for free at Planned Parenthood. They can get monthly supplies at Target and Wal-Mart for $5 to 15 bucks. Okay - before I start, I'll stop and get off my soap box.

Well, it worked- they've got us all talking about bc (which 9 out of 10 insurance companies already cover- including mine.) No one is being denied access to bc- it's everywhere- they're creating a "crisis" where there is none so we won't be focussing on the economy, unemployment, or gas prices. Just sayin' ;)

ADDED: Aaargh! No one is taking away acces to bc!!!! No one is trying to take away bc being covered by insurance. This is only about the gov't deciding it has the right to mandate that religious institiutions cover it when it goes against their beliefs. This notion that women are suddenly being denied access to bc is absolutely ridiculous!!!! The right is not trying to take anything away- they are saying it is unconstitutional to force religious institutions to do something that goes against their beliefs because it gets in the way of practice of religion. No one has to work for a religious institution if it means that much to them. The left is totally trying to spin this as an attempt to take something away so people get all up in arms and start worrying about a non- problem when the ECONOMY SUCKS!!! Don't fall for it, people!

I think it's funny when I see the $9 remark. They take Mirena (which I believe was about $1,000) to get in, plus doctor fee, and say that if you divide it up for the 5 years it's supposed to be good it's about $16 a month. Well, not really. It's $1000 at the time I go to the doctor.
Yes, men get the free sex...but then if they get someone pregnant they have child support to pay. Women get free easy access sex too...but usually pay a higher price.
It is possible to get birth control at low prices, that's not the issue. The issue is that it's a medical medicine and should be covered as one through insurance.
L.

Frankly, the idea of $9/month birth control is grossly misleading. I believe that number was put out there by more ignorant men (what a shock!).

Maybe you can get one type of bc pill at Walmart for $9/month. Maybe. But there are all sorts of formulations out there with varying levels of hormones that have various effects on the women taking them. And this doesn't cover the more effective patch, either. Also, a lot (LOT!) of people can't make it to a Walmart to get those (practically free!) pills. Walmart stores are typically located outside of dense urban areas and can be difficult to get to for those without a private vehicle.

Oh. And I'm on the pill and I'm not a "young woman" by any stretch of the imagination (45). But because I "accidentally" got pregnant at 43 yo after having had my first at 41 yo after much intervention (including IVF), and because I didn't want another kiddo, my doc recommended that I get back on the pill (after many years off of it). A nice additional benefit of the pill is that it helps to lighten and regulate what would otherwise be a really, really heavy flow due to my being premenopausal. And it's preventing ovarian cysts (which are also more prevalent in later years). So, birth control with some added medical benefits. And, fwiw, I don't "sleep around" on my hubby. Heck. I've got two young children. I'm too d*mn tired to sleep around!

It's funny how in the age of digital this and digital that the statement immediately turns back time by decades and centuries.

I am woman hear me roar and have my needs met!

Totally offensive!!!

It's part of the Jado-Christian propaganda that women have to be good girls and just say no. That women do not have as powerful a sex drive as men.

I do not think this was well thought out or explained.

Per my fiance's opinion upon reading THIS he said "Men are just going to find sex elsewhere at some point." in addition to it not making sense - again not well thought out or explained.

We could both be stupid and our reading comprehension lacking in this instance, but this is our opinion.

I think that statement is inaccurate - Birth control gives both women and men easy access to sex.

What is the context? It's hard to make a value judgment without knowing the context.

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