This is strictly for my own curiosity. I know that districts can publishtheir average clas size or student:teacher ratio, but I also know that it is not always acurate because the average will include specialized classes (an emotionally impaired room for example) that may have smaller sizes than most rooms.
I am a teacher and the district where I work is, well, falling apart. They have already made drastic cuts in programs, teacher pay, etc. and are looking at more. Currently the superintendent has a goal of 40-41 kids in each elementary school classroom as a cost saving technique. Until we recently added a teacher the kindergarten rooms in my school had about 47 kids.
My child is is 4th grade and has 27 kids in his class. What grade is your elementary school child in and how many kids are in his/her class?
Awww...Thanks for the support! No, I don't have an assistant. I do have 2 wonderful volunteers that come in for a couple hours one twice a week and one once. I think I kinders may be "down" to the upper 30s. They made a k/1 split. Mine is a 3/4 split.
Our union is doing what it can, but in Michigan the unions basically have no rights anymore. We are on the brink of :the state" taking over and it is actually the state appointed guy in charge of our Consent Agreement (one step away from an EFM) that supports these numbers along with cutting my pay 25% and increasing my healthcare contribution by 32%. We took a 6% cut last year and a large increase in health contributions. Michigan government is pretty much against public education. Parents ARE pulling kids out (I did with my own son and now drive about 30 minutes each way to get him to school), but many don't have a choice and feel like the board won't listen.
Sorry, that last paragraph really is kind of whiney.... Just frustrated. The kids and teachers are paying for years of mismanagement of money that they had nothing to do with. :(
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T.H.
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I would freak out if there were 40 students in my kids' classroom, no matter how they old they are!!!
My daughter is in K and there are 21 kids in her class and I feel that is too many. There is only one teacher, no aids, no paras, no nothing. I think they would put up to probably 25 in a room, but when I asked they said there is no cap on classroom limit.
Personally I would be happy with 20 kids or so after 1st grade and only like 15-18 in K. I know that is unrealistic but it's still what I want! :)
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T.S.
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K-3, 20 students, 4-5, 25 students.
Middle/high school? No idea, but I think middle is no more than 30.
This is a wealthy district in California. We raise a LOT of private money to pay for aides and extra teachers (which keep class sizes down) and other types of enrichment and support that public funds couldn't begin to cover.
I feel truly, truly sorry for the kids in districts that rely on nothing but public funding, they are at a disadvantage from day one :-(
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L.U.
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My son is 11 and in 5th grade. His class has 26 kids.
My other son is 8 and in 2nd grade. His class has 23 kids.
I can't imagine having 47 kids in a kindy class! That's outrageous.
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J.G.
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You have to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!! 15 students per room is the optimal number for learning. You can go to 22-23, but really, 40 is shameful....
We have known about classroom size for decades, that the optimal classroom size is 15. ALL THE RESEARCH SHOWS THIS, yet we wonder why our schools are failing..we can't be bothered with the simplest of details.
Your superintendent needs to be fired!
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K.O.
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All of our gen ed classes have between 22-25 kids in a class. It is a current goal to get the K classes (at 22 right now) down even further.
The numbers you are mentioning, especially for K are absurd.
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K.S.
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I am so sorry to hear about your situation. The anti-school government in charge at the state capitol needs to go!
My DD has 20 kids in her class, but somehow this particular year more kids came and her second grade went from 2 1/2 classes to 3 classes, thus the low number of students in the class. I think the classroom is too small for forty. Maybe 30 would fit. Ann Arbor schools are feeling the pinch and there is talk of closing an elementary school, which would result in bigger class sizes.
Next year is the governor election. It should be a doozy!
I think you need to get the news media involved to shame the school into being better. Best wishes.
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L.R.
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I would hope that a kindergarten class with 47 students in it (and you had more than one with that high number? Did I read it right?) would trigger a formal and highly publicized complaint from the teacher's union or teacher's association, not to mention parents going nuts. If my child had been in a class that large I would have banded with other parents to demand an emergency meeting with the school and the school board as well. And I'd have called every newspaper and TV station in town to be there.
My kid just started middle school but had between about 26 and 32 kids in her classes between about fourth and sixth grades.
A goal of 40 kids in each classroom is ridiculous. I hate to say it but if I were you I'd be seeking another job because you'll never be able to DO a real job with that large a class. It isn't teaching -- it is crowd control. I guess that there must be absolutely nowhere else for your district to cut money, since larger classes is usually the last resort for any desperately strapped school system.
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S.T.
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when it got close to 30 is about when i started to homeschool. not for that reason (at least not solely), but i think that's way too much.
almost 50????
that's insanity. might as well put the kindergartners in one of those college lecture halls.
khairete
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A.V.
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I think she has about 18 per side (two teachers as a team).
The most I ever had in school as a kid was 37 in a reading class in 5th grade and the teacher ran out of desks. She was so flustered, but we did OK. Thankfully she had an aid.
40 kids is way too much, especially at the lower levels. No one would get any individual attention. That is too many kids to expect you to handle all of them on your own. The superintendent is bonkers. I'm so sorry you are dealing with that. Nearly 50 kids for one room?!
ETA: you are not whiney. You are overworked and underpaid. You have legit gripes and I just feel for you and your classes because I know that you have to deal with problems that you did not cause.
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S.G.
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Currently there are around 24 kids per classroom in our schools, but our provincial government has increased funding to reduce classroom sizes. The goal is 20 students per classroom.
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M.W.
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My second grader has 23 in his class. I have never seen over 25 as my older kids went through elementary.
I am sorry your district is falling apart...very sad to hear. 40-41 is way too many. Good luck with the cuts and changes.
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T.F.
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Wow!
I'm a routine substitute ( 13yrs) in elementary.
I sub mainly in 1st grade and no class ( 4 classes of 1st grade) has over 22 children and any special ed children have aides in the room or are pulled out to one on one instruction. Same for esl students, pulled in groups of 4-6 for small group instruction.
Our elementary is k-5 and in all levels there are no more than 25 per classroom.
Wow you have your hands full. I hope you have teacher assistants and parent volunteers in the room.
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T.M.
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In Florida, elementary school classes can have up to 18 children per class. I think that we are subject to the class size amendment.
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B.G.
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My first grader has 17 kids in her class. It was the same number last year in Kinder. Our school doesn't do split classes.
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J.A.
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Wow that is crazy. I would pull my child out if their were that many kids. Her kindergarten class has 18, the other K class has 22. I think first grade will be less than 30. Their is also an aid in each class up to 3rd. This is a public charter and each family is asked to donate money each month to make up costs. Also we have parent volunteers very regularly in the class.
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J.B.
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40 kids sounds totally bananas to me. Our district is generally in the low 20s. One grade (the millennium babies) is so large that they have to add a classroom or two to whatever grade they are in a given year and even with that, class size gets over 25 and it seems too crowded.
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X.O.
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My son is in 1st grade at a private school. His class has 33 students, with an aide, so the ratio is 17:1. His kindergarten class was 21 with an aide. I happen to think anything over 30 is very difficult.
ETA: My son goes to a Catholic school. I don't know what the classroom sizes are in my public school district.
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P.Y.
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Our district limits elementary size to 30, but most classes in our school are 20-25. Just discovered my daughter's middle school class has 34. I'm not pleased with this.
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J.C.
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Anchorage
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Our school tries to keep class size at 20 or less, most average 18-22 kids.
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J.H.
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My 3rd grader has 24 in his class. That group is the biggest in our school - each of the four classes has 24 or 25 kids in it. The rest of the grades have an average of 20 to 22 kids in them.
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C.T.
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21 are in my son's class. I thought that was a lot but now that I've heard what you have to say I feel lucky!
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L.A.
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Whoa, our elementary school was built in the 50's so the rooms are not used to be being filled with all of the Technology, backpacks and other modern day teaching accessories., etc.. They get tight as it is.
So some people were pulling their kids out because they felt like 18 to 21 kids to a classroom was too big. Once a class reaches 22, per class, if any more students enroll in that grade, the school is allowed to hire another teacher and split up the classes.
But to expect a teacher to teach all 40 of those students is way too much. MAYBE if they gave you 2 assistants, but even then.. way to many in the room.,. Crazy..
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J.S.
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No more than 20, supposedly, but they're allowed to go to 23. When it looks like there will be more children in a particular grade than in other grades they add another class.
There's no way in hell I'd stay in a town where the classes had 40 children per room. Absolutely no way. More than 25 and I would start to get concerned and consider moving to a different town, let alone district. If it's a statewide issue I would seriously consider moving out of state.
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M.S.
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My son is in 5th in a Catholic school with 28 kids. I would pull him out if it ever reached 40 kids!
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L.C.
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We are stationed in England and my kids go to the Department of Defense school on base. My son and daughter are in the first grade and they each have 16 children in their class. In Kindergarten they had the same amount with one teacher and one aide.
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S.H.
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19-27
Elementary school, which is Kinder thru 5th grade.
Public school.
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K.C.
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My first grader has 32 students and one teacher. When he was in kindergarten, they only had 26 students and all 26 were only there together from 10:10 - 11:30. From 8:10 - 10:10, only 14 of them were there; from 11:30 - 1:30, there were only 12. It was really nice!
My daughter is in preschool. Her class has 24 kids, but there are two teachers and four parents in the classroom at all times.
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M.G.
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4th grade daughter has 27 kids in her class and my 1st grade special needs son has six kids total in his class.
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E.T.
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Rochester
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1st grade. About 22 kids.
The building I teach in has anywhere from 17 (K) to about 30 (2nd-5th).
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L.O.
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Detroit
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first grader has 26. my second grader has 27. per the teacher contract the max is 27 so they take all the resident children.. and then offer seats to out of district children to fill each class to the max.
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B.B.
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1st grade, 17 students.
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A.G.
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Dallas
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4th grade son - 26
10th grade son - 25-30 depending on the class
I teach AP English, and my smallest class has 14. My largest class has 29. I have 4 other classes that all have 21-23 students. Most of the on-level English classes have 27-30 students.
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J.S.
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Richland
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30. My older two went private all the way and there were 30 in a class all the way. My younger two public, same thing.
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Y.M.
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Iowa City
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First grade. 25 students. They started the year with 16 but just keep adding in more children.
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J.O.
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Detroit
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Preschool-13
Kindergarten-13
Generally about 22 or so in each grade that I notice...
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E.T.
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One has 24 and the other 26. They're both first grade classes and have a full time teacher in each class plus a full time assistant who splits time between the two classes.
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C.B.
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I am so sorry to hear that.
My kiddos go to private school and their class sizes range from 30 to max of 35. Some of the higher grades (6,7,8) will vary from 20 to 30. the most each classroom can have though is 35.
My daugher (5th) has 32
My son (3rd) has 31
I think over 35 is so so bad. ugg
many blessings to you
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A.C.
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Oldest son's 1st grade class has 19 students.
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S.J.
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I teach high school in AZ. My classes are at 38-42 for history class.