Help with College Class Project

Updated on April 20, 2012
T.K. asks from Grand Prairie, TX
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My daughters Psych class is learning about Rosenhans Being Sane in Insane Places. He fooled psychiatric hospitals by having sane people coasched as to what answers to give. They totally duped the drs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

She needs to create a class activity to illustrate this principle. Any ideas?

Thanks for all your help. I told her your ideas. She liked Elyses idea and she modified it. She decided to split the class into a panel of experts and then coach the rest of the class on ADD/ADHD. She and I'm sure others in the class actually have it SO, the panel will question the rest of the class and observe them. They will then "diagnose" those whom they think really have it. SHe metnioned how many kids are misdiagnosed with ADD because they know what the drs are watching for. Smrt cookie.

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Part of my daughters issue is not being able to ask for help. She is way too independant. I think I've written before. She has paid for her own car, insurance, gas, school lunch, clothes, even oil changes since she was 16. She has a very hard time letting people help her. I've been trying to teach her that part of being a grownup is knowing when to ask for help and be able to bounce ideas off of other people and get input. Everything in life is not so black and white as ya'll would like to make it in this 2 dimensional forum. She's asking for ideas. She's done the research, she's written the in depth paper. She's asking her mom for some ideas for a an activity that she will run. That is not the same thing as doing her homework for her.

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C.S.

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Wow, difficult one. Will this work?

I am Latin (as in the Mediterranean area). If I am around other Latin's as in Mexican, I blend in, if I am with Arabs, I blend in. My X-boyfriend is Lebanese and when I went to Arab parties with him, there was an assumption I was Lebanese.

I guess that would work as a class project.

As well, my MIL tells her friends I am Italian (true story). I could easily pass for that as well.

I am not familiar with Rosenhan's theory, but it seems you just blend once you are in the mix of people.

If you had to draw this on paper, I would say Bev Dolittle does the best. We may see a beautiful mountain scape, but if you look hard enough, you will see a horse and a few Indians.

The other reference which may give her some ideas is "The Little Prince" by Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Pretty deep. Have fun.

**Elyse said it! Have a few students who have read something write a report and have a few read Cliff Notes (if they still have those) and write a report. Have the teacher grade the papers for content.**

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M.P.

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I think it is good for a student of any age to ask for ideas. I don't have any ideas. I just wanted you to know that I think your daughter is awesome to ask for help with ideas. That is not the same as asking you to do the work. She will do the work based perhaps on an idea offered up on this site or elsewhere. Others ideas may trigger a related idea of her own. Brainstorming is a good way to make progress in a project.

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R.H.

answers from Austin on

I think it is great that you are asking us for ideas. Just as we would ask our friends in 'real life' aren't we all friends here?

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R.B.

answers from La Crosse on

wow, I think some need to hit the wine to calm down earlier than on a normal day...

I have no clue about this subject but what about cult leaders and how they brain wash others? Is that along the same idea?

Or the POW's on how they are trained to give certain answers for survival?

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R.K.

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I don't know if this helps but research serial killers --- they actually do the opposite. They convince society that they are 'normal'.

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S.H.

answers from St. Louis on

okay, so you're not asking us to do the work.....& she's not asking you to do the work.

You are asking for ideas only. You are asking for brainstorming. This isn't any different from sitting with friends & asking the same question!

I like Reverend Ruby's idea. My idea would be a group of teenagers planning a night out on the town...while lying to their parents - by saying they're staying overnight at the other's home. Happens all the time!

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E.E.

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Wow. What an interesting project.

I was a lot like your daughter and it took ages for me to learn to ask for help.

A class project to illustrate THIS principal will be hard, since this has to do with mental illness being misjudged.

All I can think of is toning it down to an excercise in who's lying and who's telling the truth, with specific people coached on what to lie about. And that is probably going to be easier to spot than who's sane.

Hmmm....maybe three people could listen to a song or read a story and talk about how it made them feel.
Three people could *not* listen to the song or read the story but told to lie and say they did. The liars could be coached for talking about how the song or story made them feel.

The rest of the class has to guess who's who.

But to get closer to this project, it seems like there should be a step where the liars admit that they did not read the story or listen to the song - or maybe - everyone says the didn't - and the rest of the class has to decide who's telling the truth NOW.

Best I can come up with. good luck!

ETA: Can anyone who sees this as "doing her work" explain why they see it that way? To me, asking for ideas on what kind of activity might illustrate this principal is not at all the same as asking someone else to do your work.

I'd never heard of this experiment before now, so clearly I didn't *do* any of her work. She explained what she was researching in a simple way and asked for ideas on the excercise. Sharing ideas seems like a great springboard for figuring that out.

I have people expecting me to THINK for them (and do their work) regularly, and - to me- this isn't at all the same kind of request. It's more like saying "I need to paint a picture inspired by Van Gogh. I've looked at all of his paintings. I've researched his life. And yet, I can't decide what to paint. What would you paint if you were me?" No matter what is SAID that was helpful, I'd still be the one doing the painting....and odds are I would *not* (and could not) paint precisely what someone else imagined.

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M.P.

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I would just have a panel of people tell the same lie. Not sure what that lie would be- maybe, oh I don't know, "I have on blue underwear". The class can ask questions about the underwear, and based on the answers, the class has to determine who they think is telling the truth and why. Supposedly, liars give away certain tell-tale signs. And it's always interesting to hear why people believe certain other people. Is it charisma? Or something else?
You could even bring in a second panel with a different lie. It would be interesting to see if the two "winners of truth" have common traits like looks, charisma, a sense of humor, look you in the eye, etc.
Anyway, that's my idea. Hope it helps!

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J.S.

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I'm deleting. I don't do homework for college kids.

(no offense, didn't see that when I started writing) :)

and why is mom still helping with the homework?

ETA: if it's not homework, then it won't matter if she doesn't do it, right?

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C.P.

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I'm with Dad On Purpose.

Tell your daughter to do her own work.

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J.W.

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I actually don't understand what the principle is. All I am seeing is the boy that cried wolf. If you say one lie it colors the perception of everything else you say.

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