Desperatly Needing Advice

Updated on February 03, 2007
J.R. asks from Willowbrook, IL
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Tuesday I got a call from my four year old daughters daycare, I never could have been prepared for what I was about to hear. My daughter had a complete melt down. First the teacher tells me that she threw a chair then she tells me that she knocked over a shelf, but the icing on the cake was that she bite her teacher. I was in shock, I didnt know what to say, so I apoligized for my daughters behavior and asked if I needed to came get her. Her teacher said that she didnt need to go home and that she thought she would calm down and be fine after nap time. I asked my manager if I could leave early and decided to get her as soon as she awoke form nap. At that point I had no clue what I was going to do about this. I cant leave work early every day if this becomes a habit, and of coarse thats the last thing I want!! My daughter will be going into kindrgaten in the fall and I am not sure how the School will handle something like this so I need to stop it now! I forgot to mention that when I went to pick her up I got the whole story and the main reason for the massive tantrum was because she didnt want to put down her baby doll. I took the doll away from her and put it up in the closet, other then doing that I really dont know what to do! Please if any one has any advice I would love to hear it! Thanx J.

I wanted to add a little after reading a few of the things from all of you. She has had tantrums before and lately they have been getting a little worse, mostly yelling louder but nothing quite like this. Also the rule in the classroom was that when its time to sit down for circle time you have to put your toys in your cubbie, Caley did not want to do that. There have been times when she has felt the need to hold onto something for security and I am just not sure that this doll was that reason. Although I never even thought of it and it very well may have been. I am so glad for those of you helping me thru this and making me feel better about the situation, keep the suggestions coming because I am going to do all I can that this sort of thing does not happen again.
Thanx again J.

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B.

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Tuesday's Child
It is in Chicago. A great program for children and parents. You were already expecting this call so you are aware that you and your child have some issues. This program can really help your child and you. This program can make it possible for the next call from school to be about how wonderful her day was and what a happy child she is.

I do understand what it is like to be working and parenting full-time. This program is there to help us. We don't have all the answers or all the patience in the world. This program addresses positive approaches that are practical and proven.

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T.

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My son also went through this type of behavior when he was around 3 1/2. He went to daycare full time too and started to have huge melt-downs and kicked and bit the teachers. I talked to a councilor and they stated that it stemmed from him not feeling in control. Since children can't talk about their frustrations (or fears), they act out. His issue started when he was forced to take naps and he had out-grown them and was bored. I worked with the school to have him have quiet play-time while the other children napped and it seemed to help. It took a while (actually a month) before he "got" that he had some control. It also took a lot of talking and cuddling with him so he knew I wasn't upset with him and I was really interested in his feelings. I wasn't easy (!!) but we both got through it.

Just a note of caution - if they think you will come when they acted out, it may continue their behavior since it is a "win" when they get to see mommy during the day, even when it is because they acted up. Many times I just spoke to my son on the phone, but didn't pick him up, to help address this issue. I hope this helps! At least you know you aren't alone. On a positive side - my son is now in first grade and doing great. We both survived. :)

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R.

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It sounds like the root of the problem (for the daycare staff)was that she wasn't following rules. She was probably expected to put away the toy and transition to something else?? When she didn't, that is when she melted down? I work at a school and deal with behavior issues (way worse than this!!) so this doesn't sound so out of the ordinary to me, especially for a 4 yr old. Is this her first tantrum?

I honestly would not be terribly concerned about this incident. I would be more concerned if this type of behavior was not isolated--meaning that if she did this sort of thing on a regular basis. It was no doubt shocking to hear...and believe me, when my own daughter had a similar incident at preschool I was both horrified and embarrassed. It's hard to swallow when your own child misbehaves so severely.

What I would do is talk to her about it. She's old enough to piece together her thoughts on "why" is happened. She really wanted this doll for some reason so I would say, "I know you love the doll so much, but at daycare/school sometimes we need to let the doll go, etc..". I agree that it's possibly a security issue, but at age 4 (and without knowing any other history), I'd suspect she just wanted to have the doll.

There some great books out there on anger/feelings/behavior for this age group. Check out a series by Elizabeth Verdick called "Teeth are not for Biting" and "Hands are not for Hitting". I would read these to her and use it as a means of discussion.

GOOD LUCK!

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S.A.

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Hi J....

I read through the responses from the other mom's and for the most part, I agree that it's probably a security issue, at least in part. Your daughter may have just been missing you or home. Or, she may have just wanted the doll and not wanted to put it away yet - so it could also be a control issue.

I am a single (divorced for 3.5yrs) mom to my six year old son who has run the gamut of emotional meltdowns - so I can empathize with what you're experiencing.

My son has a red fleece blanket that he has had since birth. He calls it his kiki. It goes everywhere with him - though when he was four we started with some rules about where it could and couldnt go. It could go to daycare, but he could onbly have it at nap. He could bring it with him when we went grocery shopping or to a restaurant, but it had to stay in the car. Not letting him have it non-stop seemed to help him be separated from it when he needed to be throughout the day. It helps it kids have clear expectations. When we would leave to go to the store, for example, I'd tell him "We're going to the store now, and you can bring kiki with you, but it has to stay in the car while we are inside the store. You can have it back after we're finished shopping."

I totally understand taking the doll away because of her behavior (I have done the same thing), but I think in this case, the punishment might be a little harsh. Without knowing your daughter or your personal circumstances, I think that the issue with the doll is merely a mask for something else that is going on. Has there been any recent change in your daughters life? My son has started acting out in school (Kindergarten), getting mouthy at home (backtalking), and having accidents - when he has been completely pottytrained since he was three. We moved on December 22nd to a bigger place and around the same time my sister moved from Fox Lake Illinois to North Carolina, and didn't get a real chance to say goodbye to my son. They are very close and she was our only family in this state. I'm sure most of my son's bevahioral problems relate to all of the change. The move was a positive change (we were living in a cramped one bedroom apartment and now have a spacious 2 bedroom condo), but it was still a change. He has to get up 15-20 minutes earlier in the morning to go to his babysitter's house (I kept him at the same school though it makes my commute tough). My sister moving was another adjustment for my son to make. I couldn't figure out why my son was having accidents, so we've been talking about them for a few weeks and finally he told me he has been trying to hold his bowel movements in, so that he doesn't have to go to the bathroom as often. This, too, is something he is trying to control. With all of the changes - large and small - he feels like he has lost control and is doing whatever he can to feel like he has control over SOMETHING, anything.

He has been misbehaving in school and I was mortified to hear some of the things that has been going on - he ineterupts the teacher, mimics (mocks) her when she's talking, refuses to stay in his seat, leaves circle time, blurts out answers when it isn't his turn, etc. He complains of stomach aches and other mystery illnesses and says he's too sick to go to school. Finally after about two weeks of talking, I found out that one of the kids in his class has been making fun of him, teasing him about his name (his name is Ian, the other child is calling him Peein' Ian), and takes things from him when they are playing in the centers in class. I told his teacher about it and she is going to talk with both kids on Monday.

Maybe there is something else going on in your daughters life. Does she see her father - has the schedule recently changed (past month or two)? Has her routines at home changed at all? Is there somebody new in her life (new friend of yours)? Is it a new daycare or one she's been going to for awhile? is there a new teacher in her daycare class? Kids don't feel like they have any control when there are hanges in their lives.

At four years old, your daughter is old enough to understand that her behavior is unacceptable. If you haven't already, you should talk about how biting hurts and that it is not allowed. tell her up front what will happen if she bites again - and talk about it at last every couple of days so she doesn't forget. With my son, if he hits someone, I know he will get punished at school or the babysitter's by sitting in time out - but he knows that when he gets home, he is going to lose a priviledge there, too. (usually he loses watching a movie or tv in the evening). If he has a meltdown, he goes to be dearlier, because perhaps ne didn't get enough sleep. If he hits someone with something, like a toy, he loses the toy. I took things away for 24 hours when he was 4, 48 hours when he was five, and now, a 6, he loses thimgs for three days. I make sure he knows what the consequences will be for various misbehaviors, so that he isn't surprised when faced with the punishments.

You might want to make sure she understands the rules about the doll, for example. "At circletime, you need to put your doll in your cubbie, but you can have her back at lunchtime". Explaining things like that will help ensure that your daughter does what she is expected to, but also reassures her that she will her her doll back at a pre-determined time (nap) - it will give her a sense of security to know she can have it back at nap.

I started a behavior modification chart with Ian when he was four and it worked wonders - I never should have stopped. We recently started it up again and his behavior is steadily getting better. It might be something you are interested in - you reward your daughter for positive behavior (maybe a stocker everyday that she doesnt throw a tantrum, or whatever you want). These charts can be used age 4 and up and there are many methods.
some info: http://www.latitudes.org/behavioral_charts.html
http://www.familymatters.tv/level_4/parenting/childbehavi...

Good luck. I don't know what kind of support network you have... but if you ever need to vent to another single mom, feel free to email me at ____@____.com.

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K.

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Also keep in mind that your daughter maybe getting sick. The worst melt downs my daughter had, the ones where I had to ask, "who is this child?!?!?!" happened right before she got sick. Now if she has a extreme melt down, I start shoving vitamins down her throat!

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M.F.

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No offense, but over a doll? She's four, why didn't they just let her keep it? It may be a security for her. I understand that you have to work as many moms do full time to provide for your family, but maybe it is just too much for her and the doll was her security to home. I would talk with the daycare about letting her keep it with her, It seems to me that they either provked it or made it continue buy taking the doll away, they knew how it would affect her and they knew how to stop it if they told you how it started. Don't be so hard on her, I think she just wanted a piece of home. Good luck.

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A.B.

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Hi J.,

Well, my daughter is only 11 months old, so I certainly cannot pretend to be an expert on your 4 year old, but I did read something very interesting the other day that may help. I'm a big fan of Dr. Sears. He has written 2 books which may be helpful "The Discipline Book" and "The Successful Child" in both books they gave an example of when their child melted down after having a toy taken away. Perhaps your daughter needs more time saying, 'good bye' to her toys before she is asked to just give them away. Some children can form attachments to an object and then feel a sense of loss when the object is abruptly taken away. Instead of taking the doll away from her, let her know that she can have the doll, but at certain times the doll has to go, 'good bye', take a nap, have some quiet time, etc. Then, when she is asked to put the toy away, she can cuddle the doll, kiss it good bye and put it away until the next day. This way she knows that the doll is just going away for a bit, not disappering entirely.

Well, those are my thoughts! Good Luck and let me know if you have any luck with this approach!

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M.

answers from Chicago on

I wouldn't be so hard on my daughter if I were you. She is only 4. The daycare should have let her keep the doll. Maybe your daughter was just having a bad day. I work part-time, may kids stay with family and my 6 year old still begs me to quit and stay with her. Maybe your daughter just missed you more that day they others. I wouldn't do anything unless it becomes a habit. Maybe she doesn't like the daycare workers.

Good Luck

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C.M.

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I agree with the last person.
I do daycare and I have 2 little girls that bring a doll from home.(actually one of the dolls belongs to me and onelittle girl has attached herself to it and takes it home every night and brings it with her every morning.It really shouldn't be a big deal.
I'm sure they didn't tell you why she went into hre tantrum on the phone. And of courese they didn't want you to pick her up at that point as they were probably the gulty party.
I'm a mom 1st and daycare provider 2nd, PICK YOUR BATTLES WITH HER BUT NOT THAT ONE.
tALK TO THE DAYCARE AS SHE'S ONLY 4

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