Daughter Stealing (Lies too)...HELP

Updated on March 15, 2013
S.C. asks from Grapevine, TX
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My 9-year-old was recently caught with $40 in her wallet (she accidently opened her wallet to show me something and out it came!) She said she has no idea where it came from. My mom was visiting and so I asked her to check both her wallet and my dad's. Sure enough my mom was missing three $20 bills. (Don't know about the other missing $20.) I went back to my daughter who then changed her story (very convincingly so) saying she found it on the washing machine. While I then made it very clear she still shouldn't take something that's obviously not hers. She was so convincing saying she just remembered and that she had forgotten when she first saw it in her wallet. But all this to say, what do I do? We are a broken family and I know she has troubles that come with that. She's also been caught lying about things. And when I call her on it she screams "You never believe me! You don't trust me!" Well, of course it's kinda hard to. ;o)

I should also say this isn't the first time we've dealt with stealing. It used to happen a lot when she was younger. But I thought it was in the past with behavior modification, consequences, etc. I also always reinforce the consequence with Biblical principles and remind her that God ALWAYS knows the truth whether I see/know it or not.

Has anyone dealt with this? I must nip this in the butt NOW. Unfortunately she was then off to stay with her dad for the week so there were no immediate consequences. I did tell her father, but I'm pretty sure he'll do nothing, expect maybe a quick "that's wrong." (He lies a LOT too, so that's perhaps where she gets it?) There will be consequences when she returns. I want to make sure I do this right.It's not all about punishment. I want to figure out what's behind it. Behavior like this usually stems from something internal...pain, confusion, lack of attention, crying out, etc.

I have gone ahead and made an appointment with a psychologist, but wanted to also reach out to other moms on what might have worked.

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B.F.

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Looking back at other posts it seems she has had a lot to process. Divorce, moving, lots of stress. I don't think we can match a competent therapist.
You probably need a family therapist for yourself to figure out some better ways of dealing with her before she hits middle school.

I will caution you to calm down in your approach in regards to Christianity.
I am a strong believer but in that I understand that you have to nurture your child not blast them in the faith. Making everything about judgement is a good way to lose a child. Romans 2 tells us it is the goodness of God that brings us to repentance. You are going to have to help her understand His love by Your love. You will have to show her your dependence on the grace of God to please Him and the roll of forgiveness in your daily life.
Pray. Show your own venerability. Listen. Work on this together not from a high place that she can't relate to.

How did grandma handle it? DD needs to work to make up the extra $20. She needs to write an apology. Then it needs to be forgiven and over.

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R.H.

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Good old-fashioned butt whooping?

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J.T.

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This may be silly but is she into money? I can't believe it but I used to steal money from my dad's dresser!! It was just his spare change from the day but 75 cents in change back then was more than it is now and I think I did it fairly regularly. I was 8 or 9. Perfect family to be honest - nothing to point to in terms of divorce or anything at all like that. And I was such a good kid overall! One day my dad caught me. I was mortified. He didn't yell or anything. I never did it again. I think I did it bc I really just love money. Ever since I was a kid I was a big saver. I think I figured his change wasn't a big deal and I loved to count it all up. I did outgrow it... Not saying you don't have to deal with it but before you panic, maybe it's not so bad.

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M.R.

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I think there's a huge emotional element and risk taking factor in your daughter's behavior, i.e. steeling.

Personally, given all the confusion and stress and disappointment and divorce, I would sit her down and have a heart to heart conversation about how much you love her and how much she means to you and how terribly disappointed this recent choice of hers made you feel. Before becoming all huffy and thinking there is one right punishment that will do the trick, tell her lovingly and gently, that you are very sad about this choice that hurt your mom, her Grandma. And even though things are broken right now, we need to be there for each other, and build each other up, and love one another, and care for one another forever. And stealing anything will steal those emotions too. Talk her about the emotional long term consequences of trusting each other and how this negatively effects that. As a single mom, you must be able to depend upon each other and be there for each other, but that kind of home environment is based upon trust. Or something like that.....

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A.T.

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You are on your way down the right path with a psychologist. Stealing is usually a form of acting out about something she isn't happy with. Perhaps it's resentment or confusion that was never addressed when you and her dad went your separate ways. Perhaps there is something new going on that triggered the old habit......a new significant other on your part or her dads part......or perhaps it is her age and new friends. Perhaps it's as simple as dad's house allows her to slack and do what dad does and mom is more on top of things and the switch back and forth is hard for her. Things like this always run deeper. Be patient and remember, listen when she finally talks. Good Luck.

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D.K.

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There is really good evidence that punishing kids for lying just encourages them to be better liars. This is true even in societies where punishment includes things like losing your hand for stealing. So no amount of punishment will really help. Please take a look at Po Bronson's book Nurture Shock - this is a link to an interview with him.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1122...

There is research into the 'boy who cried wolf' story. Children who heard it lied MORE. Children who heard the George Washington chopping down the cherry tree story lied LESS. George is not punished in the story - his dad is proud when George tells him the truth.

ETA: Telling her a whopper of a lie to hurt her will only teach her not to trust you. Not the lesson that will help her start telling you the truth.

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C.B.

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She may be getting a thrill out of doing it - Kleptomaniacs (SP?) are like that. I definitely think you need to do more than tell her "we don't take money from grandma" and then sweep it under the carpet. I'm SURE she already knows that.

I believe you should get her into counseling to get to the root of the problem right away. In just a few short years she will be old enough to be arrested for stealing (age 12 - right around the corner). If you don't want to be picking her up from juvenile hall, get her into counseling/therapy right away.

If her father is a habitual liar, she may have inherited that trait from him. I was constantly amazed as my daughter grew up by all the things she did just like her father and I realized those things are inherited because she was NEVER around him to learn them.

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R.K.

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Counseling is a good idea. You need to find out why she is doing these things.

But I honestly believe the best deterent to lying is to find out exactly how much it hurts to be lied to. I believe telling her a whopper of a lie and letting it go for a couple of days...... then telling her the truth will make her see being the victim of lies hurts a lot. Find something she really wants a dream vacation, a new dog, a really cool peice of clothing ect, tell her you are doing it for her, get her all excited about it then tell her it was all lies.

When she calms down and asks why you lied to her explain how hurt you were when she lied to you. Explain to her that no matter what lying is always bad. Lying destroys trust and without trust you cannot have a real relationship with her.

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C.R.

answers from Dallas on

Bless your heart my dear. I've dealt with the same issues with my son for years.
My advise is take this very seriously. My son just finished at the Excel Center in Lewisville a 5 week program it's treatment/therapy and school all in one. It's been a huge help because it's intensive therapy. I don't know if you have insurance but if you do I'd recommend a program like that. My son went to a local counsler for year but it didn't really get to the root of his issues because it was only 1 hour a week. Now that he's had intensive therapy he'll continue with a therapist with all the issues on the table so we don't have to waste time trying to understand what those are. Good Luck my dear. You may read up on ODD.

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R.C.

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Counseling is not the answer to everything.

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R.M.

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She's only 9, and she is still learning. I think you should calmly say, "Honey, we don't take money from Grandma. That's stealing." And then make her give the money back to grandma, with apologies.

Don't make a huge deal out of this, or assume there's something wrong with her, she's still young. Remember, our job as parents is to guide and teach them. They didn't come out of the womb knowing this stuff.

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C.D.

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Nine year olds are going through huge changes, this is the time of a big turn over, so to speak, in life.
And in many ways it is a time when a child is coming to a cross roads, which one will she take. I strongly suggest you google, 'the nine year change.' it'll give you lots of food for thought.

Don't use God to try to make her feel bad or punish her emotionally or mentally. This is a huge turn off. God should be presented as a loving God and something that is within her own being and within everyone. I don't think I'd even bring God into it. Besides as a mother, my children knew I that KNOW when they lie or have something they know is evenidently wrong. It may be time for some carefully choosen stories or Aasop stories not to use against her but to be told and let her figure out the moral. After you tell a story a few times, have her write out what the story is about in just a few sentences and draw or paint a picture. This could be something you do on a weekly basis. She could put a book together of these after she has some done or buy a drawing pad for this.
(this is only one suggestion, but it works wonders, if the stories are the 'right' ones) What about the story of the boy who cried wolf, every kid needs that one sooner or later.

Sounds like she has no feeling or thought as to how what she is doing is affecting others. This may sound strange, but you may want to take a thing or two from her room (when she's not around) and place it away where she won't find it. Then just see how long it takes her notice and what she says, let her look for it or complain or whatever and don't say a word. Let her just get a good dose of how it feels when something is gone even if takes a few days or weeks. Then when all is exhausted. Bring it out to her, 'well lo and behold, I have your....' When she asks where it was or how did you find it Tell her, 'as your mother I decided to remove it so you could get the feeling of losing something. This is how it feels to others when you take their things.'

Mind you, I'm not even sure I'd do what I'm suggesting, but I might if I sense this is what will get through.

There are obviously some issues here and she is doing this for a reason. You have to find the reason. Sounds like there is a great need for healing emotional pains and that can be very difficult to do. You need to show her lots of love and tell her the things that are positive about her. Make a choice to get in the habit of telling her specifically what you love about her every day, that you like when you........ you are loyal, honest, kind, helpful. Tell her stories of saints and heros, of tricksters. She is dealing with both her light side and dark side, as must us all. She now knows the world isn't what it's crack up to be, what a shocker. This is part of the nine year old change and transition from childhood to preteens. She is now at the apex of childhood.

There is a good book that you may want to read to her, it's called, Stories of the Saints, A collection for Children by Siegwart Knijpenga. It's an intelligent and interesting book that does not dumb the child down. It is based on what a child from ages 7-11 is truly seeking. Some of the stories may seem a bit much to some adults, but they speak to the mind and soul.

Well, I suppose much more can be said, but this gives a bit of a different look at your situation -- perhaps.

Be Well and ask for guidance, be willing to step out of the box

http://www.waldorfinthehome.org/2012/02/parenting_the_nin...

Here is one site there are more. This will give insight.
Peace

I don't usually do this but - Just wanted to say after reading Dana K post and looking through the site she linked, I'm not advocating indiscriminate praise, I've never believed in that and my children have never gotten it. They know when I give a compliment it's real. And our society as gone crazy with all this constant "good job" stuff for so long, makes me cringe, always has. But I don't think we should go back to the days when parents did'nt give a encouraging word or say anything that they fear might lead you to believe you might think too highly of yourself. Balance is key and sincerity is always welcome and gives a sense trust and appreciation. Also the boy that cried wolf story may have a nasty ending, but these are still archetypical stories that a soul needs to hear. Just as the soul needs to hear the story of someone like St. Columba or Christopher. Although every kid should hear the story of G.Washington and the cherry tree, it is just important for them to hear the opposite type, like the boy who cried wolf especially when their 8 or 9 and up. It addresses both sides of human nature and brings balance and meaning. Let the stories speak for themselves.
Anyway, the site she put up looks good and there are more and more people coming out with the fact that kids get too much praise. But personally, I remember two times in my whole life my parents said something of praise to me, once when I was 12 for something I thought was very little to receive praise for and the other when I was in my mid 20s. Like I said back then parents thought if you gave praise, you'd spoil the child. Now we've gone to far the other way. But I personally try to always remember to say something specific to that child every day that is distinctly for them that is praising in a balanced way.
Your child has a lot going on and there are insecurities that need to be address. It cannot be easy to have her going to her dad's especially if he's part of the problem.
I've gone on all too long, sorry, but I wanted to clairfy a bit.
Anyway, I hope all be worked out for you all. Peace

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T.V.

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What are the custody/visitation orders?

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A.G.

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Did you march her over to your mother's house and have your daughter apologize herself?

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