Cry It Out Method - Lake Dallas,TX

I was not able to do cry it out either, it broke my heart. Not to mention everything I read was against it. We used the "be back" method. I would lay my daughter down, sing to her for a few minutes and then tell her I would be right back. By this time she was already calm down, and I would just stay gone. I would have to go back a couple times just so that she would believe that I was coming back. So leave, come back in a minute, then leave again wait two minutes, then leave and do not come back. I hope that makes sense.

I am with you though, crying it out is just awful. I know many people do not agree but to each his own.

It does work, and it is VERY hard for me to hear my baby cry! My son is 15 mo. old now, and still occassionally wakes in the middle of the night. I hate hearing him, but I just tell myself that if I go in there, it will only make it worse. He does go back to sleep. I didn't always use the CIO method, but when he was about 10 mo. old I finally started. I wish I had started sooner, b/c then he would have been used to it. When we first started, it took only a few days for it to work. The only time I don't let him cry it out is if I know he doesn't feel well (he gets frequent ear infections, or is teething). Then I will rock him in the dark after giving him tylenol, and then lay him down when he's almost asleep. He may cry, but only for a few minutes. I know it's hard, but stay persistant, because it will work.

Hi S.,
I am not going to be any help with this method. The main point I want to make is to LISTEN to your INSTINCTS. IF this does not feel right to you---DO NOT DO IT. Dad's do not have the same instincts that mom's do---it is the truth and my husband admits it after a few examples of my instincts being right on. I am not an advocate of the CIO method. Both of my children did not sleep through the night until they were 12 months old; I am not sure why, but they both sleep wonderfully now---no fuss going down and sleep all night. I read "The No Cry Sleep Solution" for one of my kids and it was helpful. I know we want the babies to conform to our schedules so quickly. I just caution you on having him cry for that long. Look up Dr. Sears and Dr. Harvey Karp's info on excessive crying. Even the men from Love and Logic state to tend to your child's needs until age of 2. I heard one doctor (maybe Sears) state that excessive crying keeps clean oxygen from the baby's brain---if sustained...can cause some damage. Build that trust and don't undermine that being held is a need.

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/5/t051200.asp#t051205
Here is part of his comment on this topic:
LETTING BABY "CRY-IT-OUT" YES, NO!

If only my baby could talk instead of cry I would know what she wants," said Janet, a new mother of a fussy baby. "Your baby can talk," we advised. "The key is for you to learn how to listen. When you learn the special language of your baby's cry, you will be able to respond sensitively. Here are some listening tips that will help you discover what your baby is trying to say when he cries.

The cry is not just a sound; it's a signal – designed for the survival of the baby and development of the parents. By not responding to the cry, babies and parents lose. Here's why. In the early months of life, babies cannot verbalize their needs. To fill in the gap until the child is able to "speak our language," babies have a unique language called "crying." Baby senses a need, such as hunger for food or the need to be comforted when upset, and this need triggers a sound we call a cry. Baby does not ponder in his little mind, "It's 3:00 a.m. and I think I'll wake up mommy for a little snack." No! That faulty reasoning is placing an adult interpretation on a tiny infant. Also, babies do not have the mental acuity to figure out why a parent would respond to their cries at three in the afternoon, but not at three in the morning. The newborn who cries is saying: "I need something; something is not right here. Please make it right."

At the top of the list of unhelpful advice – one that every new parent is bound to hear – is "Let your baby cry-it-out." To see how unwise and unhelpful is this advice, let's analyze each word in this mother-baby connection- interfering phrase.

"Let your baby." Some third-party advisor who has no biological connection to your baby, no knowledge or investment in your baby, and isn't even there at 3:00 a.m. when your baby cries, has the nerve to pontificate to you how to respond to your baby's cries.

The cry is a marvelous design. Consider what might happen if the infant didn't cry. He's hungry, but doesn't awaken ("He sleeps through the night," brags the parent of a sleep-trained baby). He hurts, but doesn't let anyone know. The result of this lack of communication is known, ultimately, as "failure to thrive." "Thriving" means not only getting bigger, but growing to your full potential emotionally, physically, and intellectually.

"Cry…" Not only is the cry a wonderful design for babies; it is a useful divine design for parents, especially the mother. When a mother hears her baby cry, the blood flow to her breasts increases, accompanied by the biological urge to "pick up and nurse" her baby. ("Nurse" means comforting, not just breastfeeding.) As an added biological perk, the maternal hormones released when baby nurses relax the mother, so she gives a less tense and more nurturing response to her infant's needs. These biological changes – part of the design of the mother-baby communication network – explain why it's easy for someone else to advise you to let your baby cry, but difficult for you to do. That counterproductive advice is not biologically correct.

"It…" Consider what exactly is the "it" in "cry-it-out": an annoying habit? Unlikely, since babies don't enjoy crying. And, contrary to popular thought, crying is not "good for baby's lungs." That belief is not physiologically correct. The "it" is an emotional or physical need. Something is not right and the only way baby has of telling us this is to cry, pleading with us to make it right. Early on, consider baby's cry as signaling a need – communication rather than manipulation.
Parent tip: Babies cry to communicate – not manipulate

"Out" What actually goes "out" of a baby, parents, and the relationship when a baby is left to cry-it-out? Since the cry is a baby's language, a communication tool, a baby has two choices if no one listens. Either he can cry louder, harder, and produce a more disturbing signal or he can clam up and become a "good baby" (meaning "quiet"). If no one listens, he will become a very discouraged baby. He'll learn the one thing you don't want him to: that he can't communicate.

Baby loses trust in the signal value of his cry – and perhaps baby also loses trust in the responsiveness of his caregivers. Not only does something vital go "out" of baby, an important ingredient in the parent- child relationship goes "out" of parents: sensitivity. When you respond intuitively to your infant's needs, as you practice this cue- response listening skill hundreds of times in the early months, baby learns to cue better (the cries take on a less disturbing and more communicative quality as baby learns to "talk better"). On the flip side of the mother-infant communication, you learn to read your infant's cries and respond appropriately (meaning when to say "yes" and when to say "no," and how fast). In time you learn the ultimate in crying sensitivity: to read baby's body language and respond to her pre-cry signals so baby doesn't always have to cry to communicate her needs.

What happens if you "harden your heart," view the cry as a control rather than a communication tool and turn a deaf ear to baby's cries? When you go against your basic biology, you desensitize yourself to your baby's signals and your instinctive responses. Eventually, the cry doesn't bother you. You lose trust in your baby's signals, and you lose trust in your ability to understand baby's primitive language. A distance develops between you and your baby and you run the risk of becoming what pediatricians refer to as a doctor-tell-me-what-to-do. You listen to a book instead of your baby. So, not listening and responding sensitively to baby's cries is a lose-lose situation: Baby loses trust in caregivers and caregivers lose trust in their own sensitivity.

Mother loses trust in herself. To illustrate how a mother can weaken her God- given sensitivity when she lets herself be less discerning about parenting advice; a sensitive veteran mother recently shared this story with us:

"I went to visit my friend who just had a baby. While we were talking, her three-week-old started crying in another room. The baby kept crying, harder and louder. I was getting increasingly driven to go comfort the baby. Her baby's cries didn't bother her, but they bothered me. My breasts almost started to leak milk! Yet, my friend seemed oblivious to her baby's signals. Finally, I couldn't stand it anymore and I said, 'It's okay, go attend to your baby. We can talk later.' Matter-of-factly she replied, 'No, it's not time yet for his feeding.' Incredulous, I asked, 'Mary, where on earth did you get that harmful advice?' 'From a baby-training class at church,' she proudly insisted. 'I want my baby to learn I'm in control, not him.'"

This novice mother, wanting to do the best for her baby and believing she was being a good mother, had allowed herself to succumb to uncredentialed prophets of bad parenting advice and was losing her God-given sensitivity to her baby. She was starting her parenting career with a distance developing between her and her baby. The pair was becoming disconnected.

Dr. Harvey Karp has DVD's on "Happiest Baby on the Block" and "Happiest Toddler on the Block." Both of these were so helpful to us....

Hang in there....but listen to what your mommy voice is telling you.

I don't think crying it out is ever a good idea. It bothers you for a reason. This is your mothering instinct.. don't ignore it! Your baby does not know why this is happening to them. From all the info I have read up on it, letting them cry it out basically sends the signal that you aren't there for them. The baby then loses trust for the mom. Mothers say "I just couldn't stand it so I would leave the room.." How do you think the baby feels then? Maybe what you are feeling but multiplied?

Here are a few interesting articles:

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1998/04.09/ChildrenNe...

http://www.earlychildhoodaustralia.org.au/Controled%20Cry...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/14/the_odd_body_crying/

Wow, be prepared, this is a bit of a sensitive subject for me, but I will do my best!! I think if you are not comfortable with the whole crying it out thing, than you have to do what you are comfortable with. Here is my problem..babies cry because they have no other means to communicate, and if we leave them crying...screaming even..and we ignore them for hours at a time, what are we teaching them. I realize that many people praise the end result, but I personally hate the whole idea of it, and have never had a problem with any of my 4 kids sleeping. Maybe I got lucky, but I have always taken the time with each child to read, cuddle, rock, or whatever to help them sleep. I never wanted them to associate the crib with torture myself, I wanted them to feel calm and relaxed..that is also the reason I never put my kids in time out in the bed either. I am by no means a soft, baby rules the roost kind of mom, it is just that I have learned that they are only babies for so long, and if every night I have to sit with them for 30 minutes of quiet time...maybe rocking, maybe feeding, sometimes just watching TV, until they are dozing off..I will never regret the time spent! I want my kids to know that if they cry, I will come. Again, I realize the sensitivity of this subject, and know that for many people after 5 days, the babies become conditioned not to cry, so it gets the job done. I hope that you will just do what you feel good about, and not do what you dont...regardless of what I, or anyone else say. Take it from me, you will quickly miss the cuddles! ~A.~

Right, loads of mothers are going to tell you it works, keep up with it, it's best for your child, teaches them...something.

Sure it works. Because the baby just gives up. Eventually he'll stop crying because he's "taught" that he's on his own & just has to deal with it.

You asked what you should do & I say...pick him up. Comfort him. Don't let him cry it out. He's still tiny & needs his momma. Despite what other mothers might say, you will NOT ruin him, you won't set a pattern for poor sleep habits. You'll do what you're meant to do & that's teach your baby that you are there to help him, love him, comfort him, take care of him.

Crying it out sure will teach him, but probably not what you want him to learn.

Hey there...
I agree, don't let him cry it out...I read a great article in parents magazine when I was pregnant with my son. It was written by a child psychologist. It said from 0-1 your child learns to trust. From 1-2 they learn what they can get away with. My opinion is, your son is waking up for a reason. He can't talk so his communication is crying, screaming, laughing, blinking and hand gestures. This is just my opinion...I have two kids, that are now GREAT sleepers, they learned to trust me and what they cannot get away with(right from wrong).....I put dark navy blue velvet curtains, his blankee, soft classical music and a spa fountain in my sons room. It was impossible for him to wake up once he was down. I did the same in my daughters room. I also rocked them both to sleep every night for the first two years.
You may want to check and make sure he does not have an ear infection....Lying face up, flat on his back will be VERY painful on his ears...?just a thought:)
Good Luck!

I followed the pediatrician's advice and tried the crying it out for one nite - I could not take it. I'm sorry, but husbands at this stage/age do not have the bond with that child that the motherdoes, in particular when you are breastfeeding. You don't say what time he goes to bed - maybe it's too early for him. As well, something you're feeding him in the evening could be bothering him so he's up because it hurts to lay down and he can't sleep. He could be having the same issue at nap time. If he's not wanting to sleep but is really tired, then I would strongly suspect a food is bothering him.

Also, what happens in your house at 10pm - is the TV on loud or are you are your husband more active or talkative because you're getting ready for bed. He may hear that in his lighter stages of sleep and feel he's missing out on some fun, so he wants to be up. I would suggest you have it be your husband's job to be taking care of your son between 10pm and midnite if he thinks that's the way to do things ;)

Also, you don't mention the breastfeeding schedule. Related to the food issue, he may be consuming too many solids and not enough breastmilk during the day thus he may just want an extra feeding in the evening. Breastmilk should provide the majority of food/calorie intake for the first year (solids at this time are just to get them used to other tastes and textures).

Have you tried feeding him and seeing if he'll go back to sleep? That's what I did when my kids woke up at that age and breastfeeding usually puts them right back to sleep.

Like Amber, I believe babies cry for a reason, especially at this age. IMHO, when crying it out seems to work, it's teaching the child that the parent is not going to respond to them and it is not teaching them to "self comfort" at this age.

Follow your heart, and don't let him CIO.

I have two teens that are very independent, and always were as young children, and I never let them CIO.

I have a 9 month old & we tried this for only a nite. I couldn't do it & I can't help but believe that she's crying b/c she has a need that needs to be met, it might not be hunger, maybe it's just to be held or she's trying to communicate in some way. I would say trust your gut. If you don't feel good about it don't do it. Maybe you can try a book I read : The No Cry Sleep Solution by Elizabeth Pantley. Or maybe the baby sleep book by Dr. Sears. My child fell into a sleep routine by around 6 months with no strict training methods, on her own. about 7:30am- 6am. Good Luck

This is a hard transition to go through.

In my house, my mother in law informed my husband that my daughter was too big for me to be rocking her to sleep and that we should put her in bed, turn off the light, and leave.

We did that for two nights and I was not on board with this at all. On night number two, I said, heck no, I am the mama and since I am the person that is this baby's primary caregiver, I DECIDE when we are doing this and now is NOT the time!

My husband and I discussed it and I told him when I feel like both the baby and I are ready for this that I will give it a shot later, in my own way. This was around 8 months or so.

Around 11 months, I started putting my daughter to bed while she was still awake. I had a straightforward wind down routine in place and tried to create a calm and peaceful mood before I would put her down. We play hard before and after dinner, then we take a nice long warm bath, then I would hold her and snuggle with her and I would say prayers with her in the dark with the light off, and then I would put her in the bed and hand her the lovey blanket, cover her up, pat her on the back and quietly walk out the door.

It wasn't pretty the first couple of nights on the mom-initiated version of this. But she didn't cry for hours either, it was more like 15 minutes and then she was knocked out. Now we get about a 30 second whiny thing and she's out like a light. Same routine, many months later is how this is working. It's dreamy, like I just got off of work and get to run free after that 30 seconds is over!

Personally, I think if you do it too soon and you are doing it because someone told you that you ought to, you need stop it right there and make up your mind that you will try again a little later when you are ready. Almost 7 months old? Not happy with this? Forget it.

Wear baby out, create soothing environ, try again when you feel more like it's the right time for you and your babypoo.

Good luck!

I have 2 boys...a 3 year old and now a 5 month old. I did the same thing with both my boys. They were both in their crib sleeping through the night by a month old. I breast fed my 2nd baby until he was about 3 months then I had to stop because my milk flow stopped after i got an infection. I give him a bottle with cereal at his last bottle at night, usually around 8pm. He's up just a little bit then I just lay him in his bed and he falls asleep.

The thing is, when nothing else is pleasing your child than he's more than likley tired. You know he's tired. The crying will not last. I would go check on him about every 15 minutes. Pat him on his back, maybe pick him up and hold him for a minute, than lay him back down. I know it's hard, but it's sooo worth it. It won't take long and he'll get used to it. Before you know it, all you'll have to do is just lay him in bed and he'll go to sleep on his own if he's tired.

Stay with it and it'll pay off in the end.

you are saying he wakes up every night around the same time...are you just letting him cry it out, or are you trying other things first? like a diaper change & a a feeding? because to me i use a cry it out method only as a last resort, or if they are getting up at a totally unreasonable hour just to play....

my kids usually had a late night feeding & an early morning feeding until after a year. & to me this is what that would be at this time & age...it is my opinion that at this early age, they are a baby & should be treated as such, when they are 3 or 4 you shouldnt be "babying" them but at this age they are a baby & they need a little extra holding & cuddle time.

My pediatrician recently told me that sleeping at night is more important during than sleeping during the day. My daughter was about six months when I asked, because she takes really short naps. He said don't worry how much they sleep during the day so long as they are getting sleep at night. Maybe he just needs you to let him out of nap time to be able to sleep at night. I'd change naps and then let him cry it out at night. I wouldn't go in to check on him every thirty minutes. He'll get used to it and stay up just because he learns how long it takes before mom comes. If he needs to eat at 10pm then feed him, but no play time at night.

I am in the same situation and can tell you my past experiences. I have a 9 mo old that is exclusively breastfed and sleeps with me and is a horrible sleeper, wakes up once to twice a night still and takes very short naps(30 min) during the day. My hubby keeps telling me we need to put her in her bed and let her learn to comfort herself. I know he is partially right, I just hate what goes along with it. It doesn't bother my hubby either. So my compromise is that starting Sun I will put her in the pack and play next to our bed and will put her to bed drowsy but not asleep. Then when she begins to cry I will not pick her up but will stay and pat her back until she's asleep. Now my past experience.... My 5 year old daughter slept in our bed until she was 3 and we did not teach her to comfort herself, partly because she was a preemie, we were 1st time parents, and didn't know how important it was to teach them to go to sleep on their own. Today at 5 she is just beginning to be an okay sleeper but we still have to take her back to her bed at least once a week when she wakes up and tries to get in our bed. Now knowing the mistakes we made with her my hubby was insistant we do it right with our 2 year old little boy. So around 6 mo my hubby did the cry it ou technique with him ( I went outside and cried the whole time). It took 4 or 5 days and the first few days he cried for 45 min to an hour, would go to sleep for 5 or 10 min. and would wake up and cry for another 20 min and then go to sleep. Later in the week the time he would cry for got shorter and shorter until he didnt cry at all. Today at 2 he is an excellent sleeper(sleeps 12+ hours at night and a 2-3 hour nap)!! At bedtime we read to him, hugs and kisses, give him his Pooh blankie and put him in bed. Sometimes he'll lay in bed and sing or talk (but doesnt cry or call for us)for a few minutes and other nights he'll go right to sleep. On the rare occasion he wakes up in the middle of the night we go in and tell him its okay and pat his back for a minute and he goes right back to sleep.

Best of luck whatever you decide and remember there is no right or wrong, go with your gut. Its hard being a parent!!!!!

i understand that you're breastfeeding, but if he's already eating some foods, then i don't think a few ounces of formula (just at night) would hurt him at all. that's what i did with my son, because i HATED the cry it out stuff, but my husband was totally for it. to avoid spousal contention, we just started doing the same thing EVERY night until he was in a routine that he felt secure and comfortable with: you can either get up at 10 and feed him a little and then put him down, or at the last meal i would give him a little formula in addition to the milk. our routine was that we gave a bath in warm-ish water and i'd sing or talk to him, then we'd lotion him up, feed that last meal and burp him, then i'd pray over him, we'd each give him kisses and walk away. i swaddled him in a receiving blanket to keep him feeling secure, but i can't remember how old he was when i stopped. if he's too old to "really" need it, perhaps you could try a fairly loose swaddle? (where he doesn't feel claustophobic, but feels held?)we also played soft instrumental music. this worked. the formula has a little more substance/calories to it and keeps them full a little longer so he won't need to wake up feeling hungry in the middle of the night. one more possibility: does he have gas? little tummies gas drops work wonders (better than the mylicon, and half the price, at babies r us. and finally: there were some nights that were simply hard and he wouldn't settle down, and i'd let him go to sleep in his swing on the lowest setting...it took about 15 minutes to get him in a good sleep and then i'd lay him in his bed (all same conditions as before). he rarely even woke up. i understand that you can't jump everytime a baby utters a noise, but i did believe that a baby's cry meant SOMETHING: even that they felt insecure. all the things i listed kept us from arguing over the issue though...it became our every day routine and it kept him tired, relaxed, and secure. naps ARE good for children (and parents) so i'd suggest something similar for naptime. good luck.

The cry it out method works for sure. If you gon and pick him up every time he crys then he'll make a habit of it but eventually the crying will stop and the time frame is different for all babies. I think you should do the same thing at nap time. Good luck.

Hi S.,
I know it is so hard to listen to your baby cry. Hang in there, though, as it is so worth it- for your sanity and your child's (teaching your child how to comfort themselves is just one of the many, many things we have to teach our children).
It took us about 3-5 nights before the crying only lasted a few minutes. I literally had to go outside and sit on the porch a few nights because I just couldn't take it. But, we hung in there and my son is the best sleeper (and a sweet, boy that loves to cuddle and doesn't hate us for letting him cry for a few days when he was a baby)!!

Part of what got me thru it were the wise words of my Doula. She told us that crying is good for babies. It helps build their lungs; it's a great stress reliever; and it's just part of a baby- they just cry (talk to any mom with a baby that has colic).

I wish you the best.
R. B.

PS I have many friends that did not ever let their child cry and figure out how to get to sleep on their own- and now that their children are older, they regret not "teaching" them how to comfort themselves.
Many of them end up with their children in the beds with them and the parents never get a good nights sleep (or worse yet, the parents end up sleeping in the child's bed- moving there after the child falls asleep).

I am sure you will get ALL types of responses from either pro-cry-it-outers or cons...lol....the best advice that my friend gave me was that NO baby has ever DIED fron crying.. I KNOW it is hard...but it is soooo important for a baby to be able to soothe themselves and put themselves back to sleep.....hope this helps!!!!!!

UPDATE: I am in NO way saying that you should not cuddle or rock your baby...my respose was completely about the fact that babies do wake up in the middle of the night and they should be given the chance to go back to sleep on their own....it promotes independence

I have four children and let each one cry it out (before they were 2 months old) with my pedi's approval. The older they are the longer it takes for tham to be accustom to sleeping through the night but in the long run the do get more sleep and cry less if you let them learn how to sleep on their own. This method works only if you can do it without getting upset. Get out of the house if it bothers you too much (do your Wal-mart shopping - there're open all night) and let your husband deal with the crying. If your son is fighting nap time, give him a book and tell him he doesn't have to sleep if he doesn't want to, but he has to have quiet time (we found this worked best if they were in a playpen or our bed so it felt less like naptime) when he gets quiet and still, he'll fall asleep.

I tried the cry-it-out method but it didn't work for me either. I know now why other moms say you should go with your gut/maternal instinct. It wasn't just that it broke my heart to hear it but I wanted my daughter to know I was there for her. That I would always be there for her. And not all babies are the same. Some do need more affection than others and at different times. My daughter is now 15 months old and super independent. She is very active and hardly has time for affection during the day but at night, its what soothes her to sleep. Actually putting her to bed is seldom a problem (only when we change her schedule somehow). I also try to keep in mind every night that I don't know how much longer I will get to spend this time with her. I look forward to mommy-and-me time each night. I may be busy but not enough to miss that.

I am probably no help..LOL~~My son would get restless in the crib so he slept with us on and off. My daughter from the very beginning slept with us because at two wks she developed pertusis(whooping cough) and almost died. At first I was told that she just had allergies but mommys instints took over and I knew something was not right. sure enough she was hospitalized. Anyway, to say the least she too sleeps with us. I really do not have a problem with it. My husband and I still get our moments together. The way we see it is that they are only little once and this moment is not going to last forever. Also, they are not dependent on sleeping with us and I know they are reaching a point when they will no longer come and sleep with us.**Sigh** SIDS was also another reason. you just never know, its a scary thing. Sorry I am no help.. I am a whipped mommy.. LOL...

I did CIO when my son was 6 months old. it lasted 3 or 4 nights. I was so upset, I had to go outside until he fell asleep. If you can stomach it, it is worth it. Ever since then, he hasn't woken up in the middle of the night. He would wake up really early AM for a few months, like 5 or 5:30 and we'd give him a bottle, but he would go back to sleep until 6:30 or 7. I think every baby is different. Mine is a great sleeper at night. 6PM-7AM. and just okay with naps. but honestly, he still cries EVERY time we put him down for bed time and nap time. for at least 5 minutes. that's just his thing. and for those that say he's crying b/c he needs something else...he's bathed, fed, changed, etc. I think he's just wants to be around mom or dad, so cries when we leave the room. if you always have to rock your baby to sleep, how will they learn to put themself to sleep on their own? they'll either cry now, or when they are 2 or 3 and you just can't rock them/feed them to sleep.

I had the same issue. The only thing that worked for us was to break down and give a bottle or formula at night. It worked wonders. (I should say Similac worked, Enfamil did not - for whatever reason.) We still breastfeed every other meal. In fact, my DD cluster feeds at night now. She is also 7 months old. We do two tubs of Stage 2 Gerber at 5PM, an 8 oz bottle of Similac at 6:30, and I breast feed her at 7:15 after her bath before I put her down. She is asleep by 7:30. Amazingly, she still takes quite a bit from me even after that whole bottle. On a good night she'll now sleep till 6, but sometimes she does still wake between 4 and 5. My husband always goes to her and I don't. We refuse to feed her again till 6AM - on orders of her pedi. Wish I could help with naps. I still can't get a decent nap schedule out of her and her PM nap is really hit or miss. I'll be reading your responses. For now, we'll just keep on trying.