Almost 4, Still Won't Do Number Two on the Toilet

Updated on February 01, 2010
E.H. asks from Kokomo, IN
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So this is a bit gross.... My daughter will be 4 in april and still will not go number 2 on the toilet. A little about her. We are in the process with yet another set of doctors doing screenings, therapys occupational/speech. She is possibly very high functioning mild aspergers/autistic mostly becasue of her behaviors and not development. At the very least she is my brilliant, EXTREMELY stubborn, beautiful girl with many obssesive behaviors.
Ok she has been going potty on the toilet since she was two and a half but could have started sooner, becasue she had complete control and understood the process, she just didn't want to. :) However she would never go #2 on it. She is absolutly repulsed at the idea of it, actually shivering sometimes when we talk about it. She continued to go get her pullup and go usually at a very strict schedule, and wore and pullup at bedtime. We have tried a couple times to not let her have the pullups. It alwasy resulted her holding it till she was sick or going in her underwear/pants/pajamas. And she was still wetting the bed every night, just too young to go all night. She did go once at preschool, ( but she had no choice since she had snuck a huge amount of grapes in her room the night before) We gave her all the promised prizes and praise but she never did it again after that. Lately she hardly ever wakes up with a wet pullup so we decided it is time. Shes big enough to just do it. We got new extra sheets, new big girl pajamas that are easier for her to take on and off herself, and new books to read at the toilet.Well 2 days later she has been leaking poop all evening after holding it. She can't even walk right, its quite sad. She has not intentionally gone in her pants but I'm afraid that is coming tonight. We have a potty chair in her room and she is right next to the bathroom. I have told her if she does go in her pants on purpose I will throw them away which she loves the new jammys. Not sure if there are any solutions but I though maybe someone might have any idea or advice. I'm so afraid she is going to start school and I will still be changing diapers. Keep in mind she is not easily bribed and is sooooo stubborn.
Thanks
PS. we have spent all afternoon at the toilet/potty chair. Its the only place she actually seems to be able to hold it in today....I feel like I've been coaching someone through labor or something.

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So What Happened?

Well she did it officially a week and one day. She went in her pajamas late sunday night and held it till we got down the pullups yesterday. Which she squealed with excitment, thanked us and ran off to her room and closed the door leaving behind her pants in the hall. It was quite a sight. She just can not go on the toilet at this point.We di sooo many different things, I also gave her miralax everyay and she did not become constipated, just shear will power. I also discovered a huge issue this week... allergy for food yes, so we're are going to focus on that and put this on the back burner. Thanks for all the advise. I will probably be asking about the allergy soon!

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S.P.

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Well, this is what my daughter did with my grandson (very high-functioning autistic). He is 4 1/2 now and this was a little over a year ago. He could read. Anyway, first she made him a laminated "book" complete with photos of him and the toilet and a story reminding him that the potty is the place to poop, even when he wanted to play or whatever.... then she made signs which she placed at his eye level all over the main level of the house. They said things like POOP IN THE POTTY, SIT ON THE TOILET TO POOP, POOP GOES IN THE POTTY, and any variation of that, accompanied by drawings of toilets with arrows pointing to the bowl.

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M.B.

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You could use a little Miralax everyday to make sure she doesn't et constipated and too backed up. It's over the counter and the dr told me it isn't habit forming.

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E.W.

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Your question is tough. Being aspie I would see if there is any books about aspies and potty training. I also would talk to your doctor. Who identified her as aspie? CAn they recommend anything? There are organizations and support groups for families of aspies. I would talk to them especially with your daughter's other behaviors. I would be careful using advice from families of typical kids. Until you have had a kid like that you don;t understand that some people are wired differently. Good luck to you.

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S.M.

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does she have friends who are around her age that might help if she knows that her friends are using the potty this might encourage her to try it S.

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B.B.

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With my now 6 year old,we had issues with her wanting to use pull-up's as diapers. She knew she could go in them and not dirty her clothes.

I don't know if what we did will work for you, but I'll let you know just in case. First, We instilled a "potty first" rule. Any time she wanted to do something different (change activities, wanted something to drink, wanted a snack, whatever), she had to "potty first". That way, whatever she wanted to do was the reward.

The other thing we did was to let her outgrow the pull-ups, and quit buying the next bigger size. Soon enough, she started asking for her "big girl pants" because the "dora pants" were uncomfortable. I told her that she could wear the "big girl pants", but that meant that when she woke up in the middle of the night and had to go potty, that she had to actually get up and use the potty. She said, "I use YOUR potty..." I told her I didn't care which potty she used, as long as she went potty. And that was that - she never looked back.

FOr what it's worth - and good luck!

A.B.

answers from New York on

Try a reward system. I just got my 3 year old sone to stopp pooping in his pul=up by giving him a treat in the beginining of his "pooping in the potty". Soon after he stopped asking for the treats and goes on his own now.

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D.F.

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Oh my this sounds soooo familar my now 21 year old was the exact same. I did everything to get her to go on the toilet then one day I said fine "if you poop in your pants you clean it up" after three or four times of cleaning herself ( I did have my own mess to clean up after her) she got sick of the mess and started going to the bathroom all by herself.
Like I said she's 21 now and she remembers this and laughs that if I hadn't done that she probalby would have started kdg in diapers. Don't stress about it and don't stress her out either she will go eventually you know even 4 year olds give in to peer presure. Just focus on all her wonderful other qualitys. Good luck and remember to enjoy everything because it really does go by way to fast.

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S.B.

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I totally agree about having her clean herself up. However, my dd was scared to poop in the potty, for some reason, and would hold it in until it hurt. Finally, when I had to go, I brought her into the bathroom with me a couple of times to show her it wouldnt hurt/wasnt scary. After 2 times in with me, she decided on her own that she wanted to go on the potty. I dont know if that will help in your case, but good luck!!

L.C.

answers from Kansas City on

i agree with debbie. i have potty trained many, many, many kids. with the stubborn ones, i find that it almost always works best to just say, "ok, well, when you are a big girl now, even if you dont want to use the potty. Big girls clean up after themselves. So now you either have to go potty, or clean up the poop and throw away your clothes and undies" in my experience, once kids have to clean themselves up and realize how much of a pain in the butt it is, rather then just pooping on the potty, then are suddenly very involved! lol.

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